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Old Jul 10, 2009 | 01:03 AM
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Looks fantastc...Now it's time for some CHROME WHEELS

But then again Im kinda partial to black vehicles with chrome wheels
Old Jul 10, 2009 | 01:13 AM
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Looks great. I have a black one you can perfect your skills on if you ever travel out to the desert.
Old Jul 10, 2009 | 01:18 AM
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I had a Blk C-4.....NEVER AGAIN! The car was great the second you were done with it but 10mins of driving and you were done...that thing worked me to death.
I now have a Mag Red C-5 and thats not to bad at all. Or at least not as bad as the Blk one.
Old Jul 10, 2009 | 01:20 AM
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Man i love my black one... no other does justice like it IMHO when its clean very nice!!!!!
Old Jul 10, 2009 | 03:10 AM
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Great job... looks almost like my black 2001!

Must be psychic... I just spent about 24 hours doing the same thing to mine last weekend with the same products and pads (but using a Flex instead of a PC - makes the job much faster). I also finished with 3 coats of Z5/ZFX, 2 coats of Z2/ZFX and 1 coat of CS - finishing with Z6/Z8. The car honestly looks MUCH better than the day I picked it up 9 years ago! Hard to believe that a black DD has survived West Texas that long without any visible wear!

I do this procedure on mine at least once (sometimes twice) a year and use Z6 or Z8 almost every day before leaving. Also usually add a coat or two of Z5 or Z2 every few weeks and CS about once a month just to keep everything looking new.

I drive it in rain, snow, just about everything but heavy wind (if I can avoid it) since that is the most damaging to the paint by far. But I never let the car go to bed dirty... hence, I am single.
Old Jul 10, 2009 | 03:39 AM
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Originally Posted by TheRadioFlyer
Very nice results.

questions:

1) how long has the bird bomb been there?
2) how exactly did you remove it. I have a similar spot on my "halo" that i've attempted to remove, but seems to be in the paint.
Try hitting it with 2000 or 1500 grit w/rubber backer and water first aka color sanding, hopefully it's only in the clear coat.
Old Jul 10, 2009 | 05:43 AM
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Originally Posted by pearlwhite
Looks fantastic

Someone else said it best.... "It looks great when clean but the cleaning never stops".
My wifes Black convt keeps me busy all the time.
I spent alot of time yesterday washing, polishing and waxing. All by hand.
Today is our 32nd Anniversay and we were going to take her Vette out for a nice day cruise and stop for lunch and /or dinner.
Now she tells me she wants to take the Harley! Now i'm off to the garage to polish aal that chrome Ya gotta Love em.
I'm going to get one of the PC polishers!!!!
Old Jul 10, 2009 | 07:25 AM
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Excellent work.
That's a lot of correction for a PC, but shows it can be done.
I recently stepped up to the flex which makes the work a little easier.
For those of you thinking/worried about a polisher, the PC and flex are VERY user friendly and easy to master.
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Old Jul 10, 2009 | 08:12 AM
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Looking good Patches!!! But why not try and upgrade to the Flex!!! It is so much nicer than the PC. I have both for different types of jobs But the car did turn out AWESOME!!!!
Old Jul 10, 2009 | 08:25 AM
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Personally ,I would much rather drive my vette than wax it all the time! That black looks really good now ,but in a month?
Old Jul 10, 2009 | 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by dangerz
You did a great job. I want to try polishing a car with something besides my hands, but I'm afraid I'd strip the paint too low.
About the only way you could damage your paint with a random-orbiting polisher is to throw it at the car. It is very forgiving. Don't confuse it with a full-blown, professional-level rotary polisher - you could strip the paint with one of those in the blink of an eye if you don't know what you're doing. The beauty of random-orbitals os they are designed with amateurs in mind as well as pros so there is little chance of damaging your paint with minimal instruction.

Originally Posted by jol
Hey Patches..OK the black Vette looks good, but....I bet you $200.00 that you couldn't do that to a Torch Red vert. which happens to be in NY (in my garage)
That would be a long drive for you . . .

Originally Posted by Coolface08
Fantastic job. The torch red looks really good as well.

With that being said, how is torch red maintenence on a scale of pewter (0) - black (10)? I'd assume not very hard since it isn't really metallic but that's just conjecture.
TR is probably in the middle somewhere. My TR coupe is a weekend car only and doesn't see much road time ('02 with ~7200 miles on it) compared to the wife's black coupe which she's put about 12K miles on it in two years. She takes it to all the big no-no's as well - Wally World, Sam's, Kroger grocery store, gravel roads . . . She also drives it in all sorts of inclement weather, including bad rain storms and through dirty, slushy snow. My TR coupe has been rained on twice in 7 years and the paint is immaculate.

Originally Posted by TheRadioFlyer
Very nice results.

questions:

1) how long has the bird bomb been there?
2) how exactly did you remove it. I have a similar spot on my "halo" that i've attempted to remove, but seems to be in the paint.
The bird stain was on there for several months although I made a couple of minor attempts at removing it earlier. It was definitely into the clear a certain depth but not so deep that this relatively minor buffing couldn't extract it. Tstar recs fine sanding below and that might have been my next try. I have removed blems that way in the past and would not hesitate to try it. Of course, it's a good idea to know how to do that before forging on. Things can go bad fast if you're not practiced in that technique.

Originally Posted by BOTYNV1
Looks great. What pads did you use? I am soon to pick up some Mizerna, and white is still a PITA on show day.
Lake Country orange for the Super Intensive polish and white for the Uper Finish. I used a spray conditioner to minimize "chunking" which worked nicely. I never used a pad for more than two panels and dry cleaned the pad between panels. I used a spray cleaner the thoroughly wash the pads at the end of each session although I have lots of spares. I hit the panels in the worst condition first with some intensive sessions, going over each at least twice with both the SI and SF polishes or until I was happy with the results.

I'll bet white will look incredible with this kind of treatment.

Originally Posted by The NNIAL8R
Looks fantastc...Now it's time for some CHROME WHEELS
Actually, Mrs. Patches is quite partial to the non-bling look which is why the painted wheels are still on. However, she is open to stealing my CCW 505A's which, as I've reiterated many times , ain't happenin'. Her runflats are wearing down and I'll need to address that soon and still have my stock polished wheels with barely used runflats that came off my coupe. She's amenable to swapping those on when her's is due for a change. We both love the security of runflats for her car.

Originally Posted by Choreo
Great job... looks almost like my black 2001!

Must be psychic... I just spent about 24 hours doing the same thing to mine last weekend with the same products and pads (but using a Flex instead of a PC - makes the job much faster). I also finished with 3 coats of Z5/ZFX, 2 coats of Z2/ZFX and 1 coat of CS - finishing with Z6/Z8. The car honestly looks MUCH better than the day I picked it up 9 years ago! Hard to believe that a black DD has survived West Texas that long without any visible wear!

I do this procedure on mine at least once (sometimes twice) a year and use Z6 or Z8 almost every day before leaving. Also usually add a coat or two of Z5 or Z2 every few weeks and CS about once a month just to keep everything looking new.

I drive it in rain, snow, just about everything but heavy wind (if I can avoid it) since that is the most damaging to the paint by far. But I never let the car go to bed dirty... hence, I am single.
Those last, three words say it all - that was me before Mrs. Patches agreed to put up with me on a permanent basis. I could spend days on end on projects like that just because I could. Long work hours and other commitments suck up spare time like a giant black hole now so these projects are fewer and further between than when I was single.

Your coupe is amazingly beautiful - I always enjoy seeing your pics.

Originally Posted by steve8
Excellent work.
That's a lot of correction for a PC, but shows it can be done.
I recently stepped up to the flex which makes the work a little easier.
For those of you thinking/worried about a polisher, the PC and flex are VERY user friendly and easy to master.
Originally Posted by Z06Joe
Looking good Patches!!! But why not try and upgrade to the Flex!!! It is so much nicer than the PC. I have both for different types of jobs But the car did turn out AWESOME!!!!
Actually, I considered upgrading before starting this project but, as I often do, I wanted to experience the PC polisher first so that I can compare the difference with the Flex when I do finally upgrade and be able to report that here for the benefit of those wanting to hear opinions of the differences.

Originally Posted by rebelheart
Personally ,I would much rather drive my vette than wax it all the time! That black looks really good now ,but in a month?
Not a whole lotta' choice - Mrs. Patches loves her black C5 and I'm gonna' do my best to keep it looking good for her.
Old Jul 10, 2009 | 01:05 PM
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LOL Gotta keep the wife happy!
Old Jul 10, 2009 | 01:36 PM
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A good wash done right once a week or every 2 weeks. And some quick detail spray every couple of days keeps mine looking good from about 1-2 feet away. Black is not forgiving up close in person. But man does it look good from a distance or in pictures.
Old Jul 10, 2009 | 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Patches
Many here read my recent post on insulating Mrs. Patches black C5 last weekend. I'm on vacation all week and decided I would also polish her Vette properly using the Porter Cable polisher I ordered a while back along with the Menzerna high cut and fine polishes. Using techniques gleaned from the experts in the waxers' section here , I spent a few days going through the process, taking my time and learning as I progressed.

Black, to put it mildly, is not a forgiving color and it took several passes at each panel to remove the battle scars a daily driver accumulates over several seasons. I have come to the conclusion that silver, pewter and possible white are the only truly appropriate colors for a daily driver. The deposits, blemishes, nicks, scratches and swirls apparent on Mrs. Patches' C5 may have been inevitable but, they cut this OCD’er to the bone so I got to work.

I'm delighted to report the surgery went well and the patient is doing nicely.

Here's the basic random orbital polishing kit I used.


First I washed the car and then removed a good portion of the foreign deposits with an application of Turtle Wax Liquid Clay Bar - great stuff. Then I washed it again and pulled my Vette off and drove her Vette onto the lift for a good portion of the process to make access to the lower panels easier. I spent a lot of hours going over each panel several times and then washed it once more before giving it two coats of Zaino. This process did not take one day. In fact, did not take two days.



Here are a few shots of the paint before starting. I purposely kept these pics pretty large so you can see the details in the paint.

Front fender.


Roof - the surface was rough and sandy-looking. The water here is loaded with minerals that I try to filter with an inline unit. I think a deionizer setup is next on my list.


Right quarter panel with bird dropping burned in.


Left quarter panel


Looking straight onto the door - uhg.


Front fender after.


Roof after.


Right quarter panel after with bird defect eliminated.


Door panel after.


Hood after.


Again


Front after


3/4 rear after


Other side after






Was all that work worth it? It is right now. Ask me in six months when it's covered in dirty snow and 3 nail-biting months way from a decent wash.
I think you did an excellant job. But when i bought my 2003 50th AE I loved the Anni. Red color, but it's SOB to keep clean. But without a doubt, Black is the most unforgiving color out there. There's 0% room for mistakes.
Old Jul 10, 2009 | 03:05 PM
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Thanks for the inspiration, Patchhes! Now I am going to have to follow suit, and poliush up my car! You sure are keeping me busy trying to keep up with you!
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Originally Posted by Patches
Actually, I considered upgrading before starting this project but, as I often do, I wanted to experience the PC polisher first so that I can compare the difference with the Flex when I do finally upgrade and be able to report that here for the benefit of those wanting to hear opinions of the differences.:
I used a PC for the first 6 years before switching to the Flex. The Flex definitely makes thinks go faster!
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Looking very good !! You did a great Job ...

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congrats thats one great job you did
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looks fantastic great work
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