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Sorry but if you think vette is in the same class as a Ferrari... you're dreaming 
If a civic is boosted and does 0-60 in 3 seconds, is it considered the same class as a Ferrari?
A vette is not in the same class. Ferrari is NOT just performance. I mean come on, I love vettes too but it's not a Ferrari...
But yes, all the blings are unnecessary.
If a civic is boosted and does 0-60 in 3 seconds, is it considered the same class as a Ferrari?
A vette is not in the same class. Ferrari is NOT just performance. I mean come on, I love vettes too but it's not a Ferrari...
But yes, all the blings are unnecessary.
Getting back to topic now....
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St. Jude Donor '09, '12-'13-'14-'15-'16-'17
Dude, relax before your crap your pants and take your own advice about having a little class.
Melting Slicks
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From: Mission Viejo, CA
St. Jude Donor '10, '15-'16
I'll give you 40 points for that. But you loose 60 points. Civic never entered a 24 Hrs Lemans Race with Aston Martins, Ferraris, and Lambos - all of which are exotic race cars. Vette is the only car, not only to race in GT class, and 24Hrs Lemans races with these Exotics, but it also BEATS them (4 yrs in a row), and picked up spot 1 AND 2. Imagine winning 1st and 2nd (both Corvettes). PM me if you want some info about recent history, or do search on C5-R / C6-R...
Getting back to topic now....
Getting back to topic now....
That does not put a production Corvette in the same class as a production Ferrari.
I agree with the post above about C5s getting into the hands of the "non-elite". This is not a bad thing, it enabled me to buy a C5 when I wouldn't have wanted to spend the money on a new one. But it does open the doors for a lot of people with poor taste. My parents used to have a 300ZX back in the day and the same thing happened with those; as soon as they hit the $12-15k bracket you started seeing some really beater, riced out Z's hitting the streets. Same thing is starting to happen with C5s. But what can you do? For every person ricing out their C5, there is another young person stepping into their dream car and taking good care of it.
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From: Queensbury NY
Ok, so Corvette race cars are as competitive as Ferrari race cars.
That does not put a production Corvette in the same class as a production Ferrari.
I agree with the post above about C5s getting into the hands of the "non-elite". This is not a bad thing, it enabled me to buy a C5 when I wouldn't have wanted to spend the money on a new one. But it does open the doors for a lot of people with poor taste. My parents used to have a 300ZX back in the day and the same thing happened with those; as soon as they hit the $12-15k bracket you started seeing some really beater, riced out Z's hitting the streets. Same thing is starting to happen with C5s. But what can you do? For every person ricing out their C5, there is another young person stepping into their dream car and taking good care of it.
That does not put a production Corvette in the same class as a production Ferrari.
I agree with the post above about C5s getting into the hands of the "non-elite". This is not a bad thing, it enabled me to buy a C5 when I wouldn't have wanted to spend the money on a new one. But it does open the doors for a lot of people with poor taste. My parents used to have a 300ZX back in the day and the same thing happened with those; as soon as they hit the $12-15k bracket you started seeing some really beater, riced out Z's hitting the streets. Same thing is starting to happen with C5s. But what can you do? For every person ricing out their C5, there is another young person stepping into their dream car and taking good care of it.
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From: Color my life with the chaos of trouble.
I can't stand any of the stick on chrome parts. It isn't my taste at all.
When I bought my Z06, it had some god awful shift ****, e-brake handle, climate control *****, letters stuck in the back and an garbage looking exhaust plate. I was online buying new parts the very same day I bought the car. On the same note, the guy that owned it before me obviously liked it.
There are a LOT of things that people do to these cars that I personally think is hideous. Interiors that look like a clown exploded in them; engine bays so full of useless chrome and spray painted pieces that look like they belong in a Honda; bodies that have the entire Ecklers catalog stuck all over them; wheels that don't even come close to flowing with the lines of the car; fake "carbon fiber" stuck all over the place; matte paint jobs because somebody thought it looked good on a Lamborghini; Giant wings on cars that have never seen a track; C5-R headlights that fit as well as something made in a junior high shop class; all kinds of random emblems stuck all over the place; and I could keep going.
BUT, you want to know the really awesome part?? My opinion doesn't (or at least shouldn't) count for anything with the owners of those things. If they like it, good for them. That's all that matters.
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Melting Slicks
Joined: Oct 2006
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From: Navarre FL
Sorry but if you think vette is in the same class as a Ferrari... you're dreaming
If a civic is boosted and does 0-60 in 3 seconds, is it considered the same class as a Ferrari?
A vette is not in the same class. Ferrari is NOT just performance. I mean come on, I love vettes too but it's not a Ferrari...
But yes, all the blings are unnecessary.
If a civic is boosted and does 0-60 in 3 seconds, is it considered the same class as a Ferrari?
A vette is not in the same class. Ferrari is NOT just performance. I mean come on, I love vettes too but it's not a Ferrari...
But yes, all the blings are unnecessary.
Off topic, I know...sorry, Im bored
Drifting
Joined: Sep 2008
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From: Chicago IL
I'll give you 40 points for that. But you loose 60 points. Civic never entered a 24 Hrs Lemans Race with Aston Martins, Ferraris, and Lambos - all of which are exotic race cars. Vette is the only car, not only to race in GT class, and 24Hrs Lemans races with these Exotics, but it also BEATS them (4 yrs in a row), and picked up spot 1 AND 2. Imagine winning 1st and 2nd (both Corvettes). PM me if you want some info about recent history, or do search on C5-R / C6-R...
Getting back to topic now....
Getting back to topic now....
A simple example, a Caddy CST-V performs similiarly to a vette, is it in the same class?
If you're talking about racing, that's even MORE irrelevant. When was the last time Aston Martin made a serious attempt in a sports car (production model)? They ALWAYS make those GT type cars. Whether it has V8 or V12, they are HEAVY (relatively speaking) luxury GT's. The vete is relatively light weight, NOT luxury at all, and is fairly cheap (compare to those euro GT's).
My point is, the vette is a VERY good car for what it is. There is no point in trying to drag them into the same class.
Another example you may look at is Lexus vs Bentley. Just because lexu's are good cars what they are sold for, does that make Bentley overpriced and the 2 makers' cars the same class?
I hate to drag this on but sometimes owners seem to confuse themselves about what they are buying... I knew exactly what I'm getting for my money and every penny is WELL spent to me.
Melting Slicks
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From: Mission Viejo, CA
St. Jude Donor '10, '15-'16
There is a image/status component to exotics that is inconsistent with what the Corvette is. The Corvette is, and will always be, a sports car that is heavy on "bang for the buck" and is something that the average Joe can attain if he/she works for it.
The ZR1 certainly is a world-class performer but the average Joe cannot tell the difference between it and a $45k C6, and therefore the image/status component is lost.
Saying "well my C5 performs as well as a Ferrari" is the same thing as an Evo owner saying "my Evo performs as well as your C5." And C5 Gen rips on Evos and STis all the time, saying "they'll never be a Vette." Well apply your own logic to Ferraris and Lambos, which, yes, are in a different class entirely. Don't be so naive to think that you can compare lap times and proclaim the car to be on the same level.
The ZR1 certainly is a world-class performer but the average Joe cannot tell the difference between it and a $45k C6, and therefore the image/status component is lost.
Saying "well my C5 performs as well as a Ferrari" is the same thing as an Evo owner saying "my Evo performs as well as your C5." And C5 Gen rips on Evos and STis all the time, saying "they'll never be a Vette." Well apply your own logic to Ferraris and Lambos, which, yes, are in a different class entirely. Don't be so naive to think that you can compare lap times and proclaim the car to be on the same level.
Drifting
Joined: Sep 2008
Posts: 1,410
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From: Chicago IL
There is a image/status component to exotics that is inconsistent with what the Corvette is. The Corvette is, and will always be, a sports car that is heavy on "bang for the buck" and is something that the average Joe can attain if he/she works for it.
The ZR1 certainly is a world-class performer but the average Joe cannot tell the difference between it and a $45k C6, and therefore the image/status component is lost.
Saying "well my C5 performs as well as a Ferrari" is the same thing as an Evo owner saying "my Evo performs as well as your C5." And C5 Gen rips on Evos and STis all the time, saying "they'll never be a Vette." Well apply your own logic to Ferraris and Lambos, which, yes, are in a different class entirely. Don't be so naive to think that you can compare lap times and proclaim the car to be on the same level.
The ZR1 certainly is a world-class performer but the average Joe cannot tell the difference between it and a $45k C6, and therefore the image/status component is lost.
Saying "well my C5 performs as well as a Ferrari" is the same thing as an Evo owner saying "my Evo performs as well as your C5." And C5 Gen rips on Evos and STis all the time, saying "they'll never be a Vette." Well apply your own logic to Ferraris and Lambos, which, yes, are in a different class entirely. Don't be so naive to think that you can compare lap times and proclaim the car to be on the same level.
I thought my example of CST-V vs Corvette should have explained it already? They perform similiarly but they are not in the same class.
