A stick on rear wing?
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A stick on rear wing?
Are there any out there that do not require drilling in the rear bumper cover to install? Talking about an actual rear wing with pedestals not a lip type of rear spoiler (I understand these are of stick on variety using double sided tape)
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if the base of the pedestals is large enough, this should not be a problem? I would like to get a low profil wing for my car but really do not like the idea of drilling into the rear bumper. I am thinking and hoping maybe someone has stick on mounting plate kit with actual wing mounted to those plate. If not, I suppose I will have to modify one of the available wings and fab expanded bases myself. Everything but drilling and making holes, LOL...
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If you are going to put a suspended-on-pedestals wing and it has any amount of aero drag, I think you'll have a problem. The amount of contact area versus the drag will probably exert enough force to remove your wing on the highway. The Greenwood wing even uses internal supports that connect internally to the frame to support their wing. The only tape-only wings are the lip type spoilers because they have much more contact area. They also look better, too, not ricer (imo). My Caravaggio spoiler is on over two years now and has withstood over 150 mph with tape-only mounting. Good luck!
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If you are going to put a suspended-on-pedestals wing and it has any amount of aero drag, I think you'll have a problem. The amount of contact area versus the drag will probably exert enough force to remove your wing on the highway. The Greenwood wing even uses internal supports that connect internally to the frame to support their wing. The only tape-only wings are the lip type spoilers because they have much more contact area. They also look better, too, not ricer (imo). My Caravaggio spoiler is on over two years now and has withstood over 150 mph with tape-only mounting. Good luck!
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I've seen C5s fitted with that style but I've always assumed they are bolted in place.
As Striper says the Carravagio spoiler is neat and is definitely stick on
http://www.z06vette.com/forums/f5/pu...er-pics-79769/
As Striper says the Carravagio spoiler is neat and is definitely stick on
http://www.z06vette.com/forums/f5/pu...er-pics-79769/
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I've seen C5s fitted with that style but I've always assumed they are bolted in place.
As Striper says the Carravagio spoiler is neat and is definitely stick on
http://www.z06vette.com/forums/f5/pu...er-pics-79769/
As Striper says the Carravagio spoiler is neat and is definitely stick on
http://www.z06vette.com/forums/f5/pu...er-pics-79769/
The lip in the pics is subject to gravity with tape counteracting. For long term, I'd be more concerned with that adhesive tape responding to constant weight (a cantilever of sorts) plus the drag than to the top mounted wing flying off due to drag alone at high speeds... This is just my thinking of course...
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yeah, I mentioned in the beginning that I am aware the lip type spoilers are available in this form. I would like though go with the low profile wing though... Not that it matters but I would be actually more concerned with using adhesive tape to secure something that extends beyond top of the rear bumper than something that sits on top of it... The lip in the pics is subject to gravity with tape counteracting. For long term, I'd be more concerned with that adhesive tape responding to constant weight (a cantilever of sorts) plus the drag than to the top mounted wing flying off due to drag alone at high speeds... This is just my thinking of course...
The lip in the pics is subject to gravity with tape counteracting. For long term, I'd be more concerned with that adhesive tape responding to constant weight (a cantilever of sorts) plus the drag than to the top mounted wing flying off due to drag alone at high speeds... This is just my thinking of course...Gravity isn't the force in play here it's aerodynamics. You'd need to look at the section through each wing to determine where the lift (or downforce) acts. If you look down a wing section one side is more rounded. Air flows over the wing and travels farther over the rounder section. That causes reduced pressure which generates lift in that direction.
For the Volvo section the longer path will be below the wing section pushing it down onto the car. For the Caravaggio its not so clear as its a more complex shape. It has to have an element of just acting as a straight deflector plate although you can still see the aerofoil section with the double curve. But to be of benefit it has to push the rear down.
Drag is an issue but more what the airflow does as it separates from the wing. If it causes eddies its inefficient. Mind you the Carravagio has to be slightly less efficient than the other one I'd have thought.
I'm sounding like my old flying instructor now
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LOL, it would be a shame if some volvo station wagon gave you a run for your money I guess. Not being a great fan of volvo, I think some models from the past could change your mind somewhat... and keep you on your toes at the same time too you could be in trouble running into an old T5-R that someone decided to tweak a bit
you could be in trouble running into an old T5-R that someone decided to tweak a bit
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I take your point about looks and thats always a personal choice
Gravity isn't the force in play here it's aerodynamics. You'd need to look at the section through each wing to determine where the lift (or downforce) acts. If you look down a wing section one side is more rounded. Air flows over the wing and travels farther over the rounder section. That causes reduced pressure which generates lift in that direction.
For the Volvo section the longer path will be below the wing section pushing it down onto the car. For the Caravaggio its not so clear as its a more complex shape. It has to have an element of just acting as a straight deflector plate although you can still see the aerofoil section with the double curve. But to be of benefit it has to push the rear down.
I'm sounding like my old flying instructor now
HTH
Gravity isn't the force in play here it's aerodynamics. You'd need to look at the section through each wing to determine where the lift (or downforce) acts. If you look down a wing section one side is more rounded. Air flows over the wing and travels farther over the rounder section. That causes reduced pressure which generates lift in that direction.
For the Volvo section the longer path will be below the wing section pushing it down onto the car. For the Caravaggio its not so clear as its a more complex shape. It has to have an element of just acting as a straight deflector plate although you can still see the aerofoil section with the double curve. But to be of benefit it has to push the rear down.
I'm sounding like my old flying instructor now
HTH
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Would hate to have that thing fly off at speed.
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