No supercharger for me!
06-07-2010, 06:08 PM
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FWIW I only tossed out 500hp as a comparison number. I know driveability comes into play with a stock LS1 that has been pushed to 500hp without a blower.
But as for this thread, I wouldn't build my car based on what the competition is. I don't plan to have it as a competition car, just something I can be happy with. So personally I would rather have a GM 427 with headers, cam etc etc as opposed to a blown 346. Although there are obvious reasons to have a blower. For pure enjoyment of the car for street and everything else I would use it for, I would prefer all motor. Build an upgraded tranny and diff and call it a day. However if I were looking for something that I would take to Texas Mile, I would slap a blower on that and then work from there.
-Alex
But as for this thread, I wouldn't build my car based on what the competition is. I don't plan to have it as a competition car, just something I can be happy with. So personally I would rather have a GM 427 with headers, cam etc etc as opposed to a blown 346. Although there are obvious reasons to have a blower. For pure enjoyment of the car for street and everything else I would use it for, I would prefer all motor. Build an upgraded tranny and diff and call it a day. However if I were looking for something that I would take to Texas Mile, I would slap a blower on that and then work from there.
-Alex
06-07-2010, 06:24 PM
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you my friend sound like one of those guys that would go to the track with your nice supercharger and get spanked.
i dont live a 1/4 mile at a time the facts are the facts, most of the supercharged cars on that day got spanked, it could have been many factors that came into play, driver, tires, track, bad tune the list can go on and on.....all i am saying is i would be pi$$ed if i spent that kind of cash for some HP & SPEED and i was getting beat up on like that!
(THAT IS JUST MY OPINION)
i dont live a 1/4 mile at a time the facts are the facts, most of the supercharged cars on that day got spanked, it could have been many factors that came into play, driver, tires, track, bad tune the list can go on and on.....all i am saying is i would be pi$$ed if i spent that kind of cash for some HP & SPEED and i was getting beat up on like that!
(THAT IS JUST MY OPINION)
06-07-2010, 07:10 PM
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Okay superchargers look damn good, sound great and give you a lot of HP but, those nice pieces of bling cost some serious bucks!!!
and almost all the CHARGED cars at the track where getting beat up on in the 1/4 mile, you hear them coming but you see them losing...
the cam and head cars whooped A$$ all day and the fastest cars at the track were C5Z's with auto trans,that seems like the way to go for me.....(JMO)
what do you guys think?
and almost all the CHARGED cars at the track where getting beat up on in the 1/4 mile, you hear them coming but you see them losing...
the cam and head cars whooped A$$ all day and the fastest cars at the track were C5Z's with auto trans,that seems like the way to go for me.....(JMO)
what do you guys think?
I dont know what track your going to.... but you definately must not be at an ECS Corvette challenge, thats for sure!!
06-07-2010, 09:54 PM
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Okay superchargers look damn good, sound great and give you a lot of HP but, those nice pieces of bling cost some serious bucks!!!
and almost all the CHARGED cars at the track where getting beat up on in the 1/4 mile, you hear them coming but you see them losing...
the cam and head cars whooped A$$ all day and the fastest cars at the track were C5Z's with auto trans,that seems like the way to go for me.....(JMO)
what do you guys think?
and almost all the CHARGED cars at the track where getting beat up on in the 1/4 mile, you hear them coming but you see them losing...
the cam and head cars whooped A$$ all day and the fastest cars at the track were C5Z's with auto trans,that seems like the way to go for me.....(JMO)
what do you guys think?
06-07-2010, 09:55 PM
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06-07-2010, 10:40 PM
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06-07-2010, 11:08 PM
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It all depends on what you want out of the car. Drag cars will spend a good deal at the top of the powerband, road racing cars mid-top of the powerband and street machines sually hand out in the low/mid powerband.
Both FI setups and H/C cars usually have a weak area in the powerband. (except for the twin-screw guys....ya'll are nuts) The compnents in an engine are designed to have a "happy place" where all the parts work in harmony at a window in the powerband.
Both FI setups and H/C cars usually have a weak area in the powerband. (except for the twin-screw guys....ya'll are nuts) The compnents in an engine are designed to have a "happy place" where all the parts work in harmony at a window in the powerband.
06-07-2010, 11:52 PM
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Okay superchargers look damn good, sound great and give you a lot of HP but, those nice pieces of bling cost some serious bucks!!!
and almost all the CHARGED cars at the track where getting beat up on in the 1/4 mile, you hear them coming but you see them losing...
the cam and head cars whooped A$$ all day and the fastest cars at the track were C5Z's with auto trans,that seems like the way to go for me.....(JMO)
what do you guys think?
and almost all the CHARGED cars at the track where getting beat up on in the 1/4 mile, you hear them coming but you see them losing...
the cam and head cars whooped A$$ all day and the fastest cars at the track were C5Z's with auto trans,that seems like the way to go for me.....(JMO)
what do you guys think?
Give the HP, driver experience, set up (FI or NA) additional mods to the cars, car model (coupe, vert, C5Z) and times posted.
If you are going to compare, compare apples to apples , only compare FI 346CI cars, to 346CI NA cars. Don't compare a 427 NA to a 346 FI, not apples to apples comparision.
06-08-2010, 12:22 AM
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06-08-2010, 12:31 AM
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I'd love to add a supercharger to my car. 
06-08-2010, 02:31 AM
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St. Jude Donor '13
Power is not power. It is area under the curve that matters. A lot of s/c cars are still stock cubes at 500rwhp. Usually 500rwhp NA cars are using larger cubes. Typically these cars have more area under the curve than the supercharged cars and are therefore quicker.
Now, build a s/c car with the same cubes and the advantages goes away. The type of blower makes a difference too. Blowers like the procharger, build boost with rpm, and therefore produce big numbers but not as much area under the curve as a something like a Kenne Bell blower.
Also, high HP cars are a lot harder to launch and maintain traction, a lot of the time making them slower than lower HP, NA cars that can get a better launch and better traction.
Finally, not all high NA builds loose street driveability. I've got 590rwhp NA out of 447cu, and the car drives very easily in traffic and on the highway. The torque at low rpm and instant throttle response make it a blast on the street. I've done a 4000mile trip with the car and it was nothing but pure enjoyment. The only downfall: 590rwhp is probably 2.5x the price NA vs. FI.
Now, build a s/c car with the same cubes and the advantages goes away. The type of blower makes a difference too. Blowers like the procharger, build boost with rpm, and therefore produce big numbers but not as much area under the curve as a something like a Kenne Bell blower.
Also, high HP cars are a lot harder to launch and maintain traction, a lot of the time making them slower than lower HP, NA cars that can get a better launch and better traction.
Finally, not all high NA builds loose street driveability. I've got 590rwhp NA out of 447cu, and the car drives very easily in traffic and on the highway. The torque at low rpm and instant throttle response make it a blast on the street. I've done a 4000mile trip with the car and it was nothing but pure enjoyment. The only downfall: 590rwhp is probably 2.5x the price NA vs. FI.
06-08-2010, 04:18 AM
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06-08-2010, 08:36 AM
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If you want just a drag car.. I guess that would be ok.. Maybe you could even try out for the new fast and furious movie seeing as you live life 1/4 mile at a time!!!
Most blower cars are not built for the track.. I never go the track... But, If you want to run 50-150.. let me know.. you will change your mind.. then getting 30mpg to and from the race.. also a great reason to go with a blower
Most blower cars are not built for the track.. I never go the track... But, If you want to run 50-150.. let me know.. you will change your mind.. then getting 30mpg to and from the race.. also a great reason to go with a blower
06-08-2010, 09:00 AM
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St. Jude Donor '08
A customer and friend of mine has an 09 with a STS TT system. He opted for the larger turbos so now he's getting a cam, (possibly heads too) to wake up the bottom end.