No supercharger for me!
06-08-2010, 09:04 AM
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Heads/Cam/Maggie 10.9 CR. Tons of power and torque low end and pulls hard all the way to redline. Light to light or roll race only issue is hooking up.
Plus chicks really like the look of a big polished blower under your hood.
Plus chicks really like the look of a big polished blower under your hood.
06-08-2010, 10:10 AM
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And if you saw a C5Z automatic ( you implied there were more than one,, "the fastest cars at the track were C5Z's with auto trans"),,, that was not the only thing they changed and it probably wasn't an A4. Why would anyone change a Z06 tranny to an A4 if they were purpose building it for the strip? Why not a Powerglide instead? And if it is a Powerglide it certainly wans't the only change.
06-08-2010, 10:12 AM
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So a 346 with a street cam and ported heads is quicker/faster than a 346 with a blower? 
A bone stock Zo6 with an A&A traps 124+mph... do that with your H/C
Lay off the meth pipe.
A bone stock Zo6 with an A&A traps 124+mph... do that with your H/C
Lay off the meth pipe.
06-08-2010, 10:16 AM
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No offence but way to throw us all into the same pot 
That was a joke, but coincidentally, most the replies here saying FI is not track worthy, or do not have low end, are from the west coast...
Your post sums it up nicely. The FI cars take a bit to build the power they need. The NA cars have it pretty much instantaneously. If the race was longer than a 1/4 mile the FI cars would prevail. On the other hand shorten the race to an 1/8th mile and the NA car would be further ahead.
That's funny, I was the first person to cut a 1.2 60' time from an IRS C5 with my supercharged car, so much for no low end huh?
fastest stock bottom LS1 = ECS Paxton 9.82 @ 138
fastest stock bottom LS6 = ECS Paxton 9.75 @ 142
and then there's the fast cars!
At this point in time, the fastest cars on this forum are Supercharged cars, ECS supercharged cars to be precise, so I guess 209 TIME will need to go to the track more then one time before an evaluation gets posted. Chalk it up to another "I read it on the internet"...
06-08-2010, 11:00 AM
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Yes, very possible. I'm fact, there is a daily driver one here that. Traps in the 140s with a NA 346
06-08-2010, 11:06 AM
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Your post sums it up nicely. The FI cars take a bit to build the power they need. The NA cars have it pretty much instantaneously. If the race was longer than a 1/4 mile the FI cars would prevail. On the other hand shorten the race to an 1/8th mile and the NA car would be further ahead.
Centri-chargers like most turbo kits are best suited for the track when matched with a head/cam kit that emphasizes low/midrange power. This way the compression takes the car up to where the FI system has a decent amount of boost.
06-08-2010, 11:18 AM
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(to compare a 7-10psi base blower)- this is supposed to be apples to oranges, not apples to grapefruit. I bet at idle that car sounds like a mix between a farm tractor and a log truck. No thanks.
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06-08-2010, 02:14 PM
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yeah i didnt think anyone would get there boxers in a bunch about it
the N/A C5Z with the auto ran a 9.7 in the final....i cant remember the MPH
dont get me wrong guys, i am not saying that i would never want a supercharger, it's just not near the top of my mod list!
i just dont see the need for one if you are not racing.
06-08-2010, 02:18 PM
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At this point in time, the fastest cars on this forum are Supercharged cars, ECS supercharged cars to be precise, so I guess 209 TIME will need to go to the track more then one time before an evaluation gets posted. Chalk it up to another "I read it on the internet"...
.....I READ IT ON THE INTERNET
06-08-2010, 04:57 PM
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Your post sums it up nicely. The FI cars take a bit to build the power they need. The NA cars have it pretty much instantaneously. If the race was longer than a 1/4 mile the FI cars would prevail. On the other hand shorten the race to an 1/8th mile and the NA car would be further ahead.
I actually ended up adding 390 Diff (MN6) to help compensate for some of the "lag" from the aftermarket cam.
Many of my friends have C5's with FI, and let me tell you, there is not really any "lag" that I have felt with them, it's not like some of the older turbo models where you felt lag. Heck, take a spin in a Maggied car, they pull like raped apes out of the box..sure they loose some steam up top, but the roots blowers are called that for a reason.
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06-08-2010, 05:48 PM
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Okay superchargers look damn good, sound great and give you a lot of HP but, those nice pieces of bling cost some serious bucks!!!
and almost all the CHARGED cars at the track where getting beat up on in the 1/4 mile, you hear them coming but you see them losing...
the cam and head cars whooped A$$ all day and the fastest cars at the track were C5Z's with auto trans,that seems like the way to go for me.....(JMO)
what do you guys think?
and almost all the CHARGED cars at the track where getting beat up on in the 1/4 mile, you hear them coming but you see them losing...
the cam and head cars whooped A$$ all day and the fastest cars at the track were C5Z's with auto trans,that seems like the way to go for me.....(JMO)
what do you guys think?
Well...I don't know about the other s/c'd cars at the track.....but I only lost to another s/c'd car on sunday.
I had a heads/cam car and I loved it.....ran 11.8@122 on bald nitto dr's. It does not even come close to my s/c'd car now. Even in the 90+ degree heat, I trapped 128.8mph. In the fall, I have no doubts that this car will trap in the 130-132 range.
The guy that won my bracket was supercharged. 2nd place was a cammed c6Z, and 3rd place was a supercharged C5.
That silver C5Z with the auto was sick....no doubt about that. He built that car for on thing....drag racing.
Oh....one more thing. My car passes CA smog with ease. I bet you $100 none of those heads/cam cars or those auto C5Z's come close to passing smog
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06-08-2010, 06:28 PM
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i had an ms4/111lsa with port work on the top end but unfortunately suck at driving through the 60ft (obvious driver error-and my tires were a bit oversized) but it went 11.26@126 w/1.72 60's and has broken 2 300m axles trying to leave on the two step
just added an a&a kit/meth/custom cam and in the street its a monster and then some,way more power in the all around,and contrary to the "instant power" of an hci/na set up my car still kills the 315/45/16 mt dr's that are mounted outback...ill deffinitely take FI over HCI ANYDAY...makes gas fees hell of a lot cheaper too if you really drive it everyday like i do...plus most of my friends drive supras or other big a$$ turbo imports,so where i go play ive gotta be able to make the top end pull,so my car gets built in a different direction aswell
just added an a&a kit/meth/custom cam and in the street its a monster and then some,way more power in the all around,and contrary to the "instant power" of an hci/na set up my car still kills the 315/45/16 mt dr's that are mounted outback...ill deffinitely take FI over HCI ANYDAY...makes gas fees hell of a lot cheaper too if you really drive it everyday like i do...plus most of my friends drive supras or other big a$$ turbo imports,so where i go play ive gotta be able to make the top end pull,so my car gets built in a different direction aswell
06-08-2010, 06:45 PM
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Funny how people get all emotional in these threads.
I'm a big fan of NA power. If you want much more than 600rwhp you need to look at FI, and if you're at high elevation it's probably the right choice. Adding anything adds complexity and weight. I won't unless I have to.
I'm currently at 600rw and my car is far from a track car. I've driven it trouble free for the past two years in a variety of situations. This car is a toy, and I couldn't care less about gas mileage or emissions. It's currently in the shop getting a directport put on because every now and then I'd like a couple hundred extra HP in the upper gears. I then have the option to turn the bottle off and run a road course or long curvy road where I may not need 800hp.
No setup is perfect for every situation, but I like keeping things simple. Now that you can get 500 CI and there are some great head options these cars should continue going faster, if we can only get an intake that can support them and fit under a hood.
I'm a big fan of NA power. If you want much more than 600rwhp you need to look at FI, and if you're at high elevation it's probably the right choice. Adding anything adds complexity and weight. I won't unless I have to.
I'm currently at 600rw and my car is far from a track car. I've driven it trouble free for the past two years in a variety of situations. This car is a toy, and I couldn't care less about gas mileage or emissions. It's currently in the shop getting a directport put on because every now and then I'd like a couple hundred extra HP in the upper gears. I then have the option to turn the bottle off and run a road course or long curvy road where I may not need 800hp.
No setup is perfect for every situation, but I like keeping things simple. Now that you can get 500 CI and there are some great head options these cars should continue going faster, if we can only get an intake that can support them and fit under a hood.
06-08-2010, 06:49 PM
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Hey 209, come to the east coast and we can easily change your mind about getting a supercharger. See what my little stock LS1 can do with a blower , We'll take it easy on ya!
, We'll take it easy on ya!
06-08-2010, 06:50 PM
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Many of my friends have C5's with FI, and let me tell you, there is not really any "lag" that I have felt with them, it's not like some of the older turbo models where you felt lag. Heck, take a spin in a Maggied car, they pull like raped apes out of the box..sure they loose some steam up top, but the roots blowers are called that for a reason.
Somee FI setups have lag, here's a basic breakdown:
Superchargers:
Roots (maggie style) No lag
Twin screw (Kenne Bell) No lag
Centrifugal (some lag depending on pulley. Low boost applications with the original large pulley will usually have the most lag)
Turbochargers: (also based on size of turbo)
Front mount (near or on headers) Minimal lag
Mid mount (in the engine bay or in the vent cove (some lag)
Remote mount (most lag)
06-08-2010, 07:25 PM
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My brother in Northern Cali, runs an A&A supercharger on his C6, close to 600 at the rear wheels, he's been after me a couple of times to get one, but I keep telling him, I'm completely satisfied with my RWHP set-up.