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Old Jun 29, 2010 | 08:33 AM
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i have an 02 z, with varam intake, kooks LT headers, cam and b&b bullet. just put the cam in to get more hp, but was a little disapointed with the outcome. dont have my dyno sheet in front of me so #'s might not b to accurate. with just headers intake exhaust, i had 300ish hp at around 2500 rpm with the torque right there with it, and both climbed to about 5500 rpm then dropped off. i put the cam in and i dont have **** till about 4500, or 5000. how do i get that power on the low end again.
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Old Jun 29, 2010 | 09:48 AM
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Believe a stock z should have about 340-350 rwhp was it tuned at the dyno when you installed the h/c/i
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Old Jun 29, 2010 | 11:57 AM
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thats where it was stock. then i put headers and got 383. now with the cam im at 420, but only from 5000 to 6000 rpm. each time it was tuned on the dyno
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Old Jun 29, 2010 | 01:16 PM
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What size cam?
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Old Jun 29, 2010 | 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by RubenTrinidadz06
i have an 02 z, with varam intake, kooks LT headers, cam and b&b bullet. just put the cam in to get more hp, but was a little disapointed with the outcome. dont have my dyno sheet in front of me so #'s might not b to accurate. with just headers intake exhaust, i had 300ish hp at around 2500 rpm with the torque right there with it, and both climbed to about 5500 rpm then dropped off. i put the cam in and i dont have **** till about 4500, or 5000. how do i get that power on the low end again.
If you can find them can you post the old a new dyno sheets for us to check out? Also as someone else asked, do you know the specs on the cam?
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Old Jun 29, 2010 | 10:35 PM
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i think this is what u want. its a comp cam, 231 237 .589.595 112. ill try and post the dyno sheet tomorrow.
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Old Jun 30, 2010 | 02:23 PM
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Do a set of heads with an intake and you should see some low end torque numbers come back up.
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Old Jun 30, 2010 | 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by RubenTrinidadz06
i think this is what u want. its a comp cam, 231 237 .589.595 112. ill try and post the dyno sheet tomorrow.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't a 112 LSA move the torque higher up the RPM range and 114-116 will move it into the lower RPM range? That could be some of your problem. It would really be interesting to see your dyno sheets of before/after to see just how much the difference is on the low end.
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Old Jun 30, 2010 | 04:04 PM
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You got it backwards..The lower LSA will actually bring the powerband down in the RPM range
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ill get them up. i have to get to a scanner.
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It's hard to say where you went wrong. That's not a huge cam, and should start building power from 2300-2600, and not peak until about 6k. Need to see the dyno graph to see what's up.
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Sounds like your problem is in your tune, Had the same problem w/my 04 GTO after cam change. First tuner I went to seemed to only be able to tune the car for WOT. Car seemed to have no timing advance below 4500rpms. I grew up tuning Carb/Dist engines, so I know what an engine needs. The 2nd Tuner I went to said thats exactly whats wrong, few runs on the dyno and more timing, the car was running like a raped ape from idle to 6300 rpms. The car even sounded better, exhaust note had a nice mean roar, not a dull thunder like the first tune.
My 2-cents, its in the tune
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I agree Zee, it has a little more overlap@.50 than I would want to run (10*) on stock cubed/bolt-on car, but nothing too wild. I would guess the problem lies in the tune...
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Did you install the cam?

Was push rod length verified?

I also think some tuning is at fault but it is hard to do a internet diagnosis with out some graphs!

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smaller cams tend to have more lower end torque, larger cams more high end HP IIRC
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heres the dyno the old was with intake headers exhaust, then the new obviously with the cam. this might be normal, just wanted to what u guys thought.

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If I'm reading your graph correctly, with the addition of the cam, the TQ line runs almost parallel to the HP line, and doesn't peak until 6k. This is really off, and though your TQ peak is listed as 400, no where on the graph do a line cross the 400 level, except for the HP (I assume) line. I need clarification.
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Old Jul 1, 2010 | 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by RubenTrinidadz06
heres the dyno the old was with intake headers exhaust, then the new obviously with the cam. this might be normal, just wanted to what u guys thought.
It looks like you might be confusing the lines.The top most light colored line is your torque, that starts about 310-320 ft-lbs and goes up to 369.56. That should be your old run, the line just above that is your new torque figure with your new cam, that goes up to 386.64. Your old horsepower figure is the lower line that starts about 160 and goes up to 384. The solid line just above that which extends higher after about 4300 rpms is your new HP figure which goes up to about 420hp. One of the other confusing things is the broken new cam HP line at about 5400 to 5900.

To me that looks like you gained a bit of power all around with the new cam and you didn't lose anything.
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i dont think so, because at the bottom of the page it shows a runfile one is lighter then the other. and if u look at the dates it kinda makes sense. the lighter 1 is the older one. i was just wondering if a diferent tune could change anything? i like the low end power. if i cant change anything, where do i go from here. not realy ready for a blower.
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torque always peaks prior to 5252 rpms.

and HP = torque at 5252 rpms

as HP = torque / 5252 rpms
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