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Old Jul 17, 2010 | 07:04 PM
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Ok, so I've had the CLB for a few months now, and finally had some time to install it. Now, I will be specific. I did NOT have a column lock problem prior to the installation. Now that my CLB is installed, I seem to have the problem.

Lets answer some questions:

What year is the car: 1998

Manual or auto: A4

Did you test the battery: Yes, battery is tip top.

Exactly what is happening: Pulled the car in the garage, key off, pulled all panels. Followed directions exactly as provided. My kit included the cig lighter to disengage the column. It did. All functions seemed to work properly.

Turn car on. "pull key out wait 10 sec" bull****. Column is not locked, but error code is displayed. Pulled #25 + 29 as instructed if message appeared according to my instructions. Waited 10 minutes, re-installed. Code is gone.

Now re-assemble everything thinking problem is corrected. Turn car on to ensure after all items are returned. "Pull key wait 10 seconds, service column" bull****. Searched this forum or nearly an hour with no-one having the similar problem I am. I am ready to throw this away, as it seems to of not worked, and only created a problem.

Am I missing something?? Pretty pissed at this point...
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Old Jul 17, 2010 | 07:57 PM
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I don't know...sounds like you did everything right.
I can only guess it is a defective CLB.

The good news is it will be easier the second time!
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Old Jul 17, 2010 | 08:06 PM
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#1,,did you completely remove the factory fix components? My first try,,I didn't do that and plugged the CLB into the wrong part,,naturally it did not work !! If so,,#2 check the lid,,and find ALL the fuses that are related to the BCM,,,the ones I found were #'s 13,,23,,25,,and I read somewhere about # 29. I had SEVERAL unsuccessful attempts following the traditional fuse pulls. I pulled all these,,let it sit for about 15 min.,,and bingo!! Give this a try if you are sure it is properly installed!! Might just work!!!
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Old Jul 17, 2010 | 08:51 PM
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It could,coincidentally,be dirty contacts on the key resistor pellet,or in the ignition switch,since you're not also getting the "Service Column Lock" message.
I can make the "pull key,etc" message come up on my 98MN6,if I insert the key,pull it out a bit,stick it back in,then start the car-not that that's going to help you at this point,but if the resistor contacts are intermittent,it'll do the same thing.
It's a stretch,but possibly worth cleaning the contacts...
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Old Jul 17, 2010 | 08:58 PM
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Ran the car's vin at my work. The car has not seen and of the GM recalls. No K harness either. I will try to pull the neg batt terminal for 10 minutes, and await the results.

Hopefully this resolves the problem. I will report back. If the CLB still displays error codes, I will completely remove it and toss it in the trash.

Originally Posted by 8VETTE7
When you plugged in the male connector of the CLB into the female connector under the dash what color were the wires going to the female connector? One white and one purple? If so you plugged the CLB into the GM K Harness. The K Harness looks like this:

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c5-g...l-locking.html

Then scroll to post #8

If it was installed in the car ( some do not have it installed) you need to disconnect BOTH ends of it and connect the CLB male connector to the female connector that is attached to the bottom of the dash board. Then clear the errors and DTC's as below....

Easiest guaranteed way to clear the error messages and DTC's that may have gotton set in the BCM is to disconnect the neg battery cable for at least 10 minutes. I gave up trying to figure out what fuses needed to be pulled to clear things long ago. Some need none, some need one and others need more. Disconnect the neg battery cable for at least 10 minutes and that WILL clear things.

Post back if this does not work. There are a couple of other things you can check if this fails to clear your problem.
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Old Jul 17, 2010 | 10:57 PM
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the CLB is your friend

having it (correct) is a big deal so you don't get stranded ... call Corvettes of Houston, they can help you (probably)

Once you got it right, its ok FOREVER
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Old Jul 17, 2010 | 11:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Wicked_Z06
If the CLB still displays error codes, I will completely remove it and toss it in the trash.
Where source did you buy it from?
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Old Jul 18, 2010 | 06:06 AM
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Well, I tried removing the fuses, and removing the battery terminal shortly after. It worked on the first try, but yet, when I took the key out, walked away and came back in 5 minutes, the code returned.

With that said, I decided to start all over again. Removed the CLB, re-installed the OEM plug, started the car. No pull key wait 10 seconds, etc.. Repeat the procedure as provided for the CLB and once again the service column lock appeared.

I removed the CLB immediately. I wasted my whole after noon in the garage pulling fuses and panels. I plugged in the OEM plug, and took it for a drive with no problems.
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Old Jul 18, 2010 | 09:45 AM
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I'm pretty much where you were...haven't bought one but know I need to .

Now I'm wondering.

Where did you purchase it?
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Old Jul 18, 2010 | 10:04 AM
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That is just totally strange!! You might want to do a search for some threads from a year or so ago,,I remember reading in some that for some years a small jumper wire was needed in the foot well fuse block. There MIGHT be some useful info!!One other suggestion,,might want to shoot Bill Curlee a PM,,,he knows his stuff,,and how to diagnose electrical gremlins. He is kind of a guru on this stuff!!! You never know,,could just be a defective piece. He can get you on the right track!!
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Old Jul 18, 2010 | 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Wicked_Z06
Well, I tried removing the fuses, and removing the battery terminal shortly after. It worked on the first try, but yet, when I took the key out, walked away and came back in 5 minutes, the code returned.

With that said, I decided to start all over again. Removed the CLB, re-installed the OEM plug, started the car. No pull key wait 10 seconds, etc.. Repeat the procedure as provided for the CLB and once again the service column lock appeared.

I removed the CLB immediately. I wasted my whole after noon in the garage pulling fuses and panels. I plugged in the OEM plug, and took it for a drive with no problems.
Your story is exactly the same as mine.......right down to the car model. My fix was the same as yours.
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Old Jul 18, 2010 | 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Wicked_Z06
Ok, so I've had the CLB for a few months now, and finally had some time to install it. Now, I will be specific. I did NOT have a column lock problem prior to the installation. Now that my CLB is installed, I seem to have the problem.

Lets answer some questions:

What year is the car: 1998

Manual or auto: A4

Did you test the battery: Yes, battery is tip top.

Exactly what is happening: Pulled the car in the garage, key off, pulled all panels. Followed directions exactly as provided. My kit included the cig lighter to disengage the column. It did. All functions seemed to work properly.

Turn car on. "pull key out wait 10 sec" bull****. Column is not locked, but error code is displayed. Pulled #25 + 29 as instructed if message appeared according to my instructions. Waited 10 minutes, re-installed. Code is gone.

Now re-assemble everything thinking problem is corrected. Turn car on to ensure after all items are returned. "Pull key wait 10 seconds, service column" bull****. Searched this forum or nearly an hour with no-one having the similar problem I am. I am ready to throw this away, as it seems to of not worked, and only created a problem.

Am I missing something?? Pretty pissed at this point...
Yep, been there done that got the Tee shirt!
Bottom line the early cars 97-98 don't like the CLB for some strange reason.
After I went through this fisaco I installed the factory K harness and the removed the lock plate.
Everything has been golden ever since 2003 when I went through this nightmare.
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Old Jul 19, 2010 | 04:44 AM
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Well, I packed everything up back in the bag nice and tidy. I'm going to give the vendor a call tomorrow morning. I'm hoping they can help me. The vendor is Corvettes of Houston, and I hope they can resolve the issue. I'm glad to see I'm not the only person who has had this problem with the CLB.

One thing that does disturb me is that all the people who have had the same issues as me removed the CLB and have been fine. Why would a preventative item cause a problem? Why don't the other member who have had issues only with a CLB installed not gone to another vendor/get another item and have it installed?

I'm starting to wonder if its worth my time to try again, or if I should just chalk it up as a complete loss.
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Old Jul 19, 2010 | 09:22 AM
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You got ahold of a defective part-

That doesn't change the fact that your column lock still has the potential to fail.
If you'd like to gamble that it won't,then leave it the way it is.
Since the column lock bypass is a 20 minute install,it seems like not such a big deal to try it again,but that's up to you.

It works fine on my '98,and if it ever fails,I can just remove it and plug the column lock back in,since it was working fine when I installed the bypass.
So I get to drive home,instead of riding home on a flat bed.
There's a chance you'll never need it,but there's also a chance that you will-
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Originally Posted by Wicked_Z06
Ran the car's vin at my work. The car has not seen and of the GM recalls. No K harness either. I will try to pull the neg batt terminal for 10 minutes, and await the results.

Hopefully this resolves the problem. I will report back. If the CLB still displays error codes, I will completely remove it and toss it in the trash.
I had the same issue on my old coupe. The dealership could not bring up any types of recalls. I bought and installed the CLB and experienced the same issue. It turns out the K-harness was installed. It is very easy to miss. I believe the connector has two wires going into it and you can follow it up along the steering column to the black relay box where the dealer zip ties it, then past that is the original connector. That is where the CLB will be plugged into.

I have installed 5 CLBs since 2005, all on different cars and they were all from COH. Never have had an issue. Hopefully this helps. GL
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Old Jul 19, 2010 | 12:33 PM
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My CLB from COH worked on my 1998 MN6 C5 (with no recalls). I have heard that some early year C5's don't "like" it. Hope you got a defective CLB.
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Old Jul 19, 2010 | 01:19 PM
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Im about to install the CLB on my 2004 Z06, will this have the K harness installed and if so will it need to be removed, sorry I am now confused.
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kyle dont get rid of it just yet.. lets try it on my car and see if i get the codes.. If i dont ill just buy it off you. Since the Z06's are the ones that really need it.
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Old Jul 19, 2010 | 02:58 PM
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Thanks 8Vette7 for the info I will be installing the CLB this weekend, will let you know how I get on
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Originally Posted by Wicked_Z06
Well, I packed everything up back in the bag nice and tidy. I'm going to give the vendor a call tomorrow morning. I'm hoping they can help me. The vendor is Corvettes of Houston, and I hope they can resolve the issue.

I'm starting to wonder if its worth my time to try again, or if I should just chalk it up as a complete loss.
No. Contact them and tell them Houston, We have a problem! They will help you make it right.
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