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Old Aug 28, 2010 | 10:19 AM
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Jim, some times it can be difficult to "tip-toe through the tulips"... with a hot looking black C5 Lingenfelter.
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Old Aug 29, 2010 | 12:50 AM
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annoying that when driving on the freeway in Texas I get "lit up" every time a leo approaches me or I approach him, for me over the limit it 2mph max I have a detector to keep me honest and from getting nailed if I am not watching speed and it creeps up (when not on cruise control) will say that most times it is off as I do not use it as a license to fly.
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Old Aug 29, 2010 | 03:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Airforce 1
I'm a State Trooper (I'll withhold the state). I use radar daily, but I'm also speed & distance certified. What that means is, because I visually estimate your speed before I use my radar, I can ticket you based on my visual estimate. On a three lane highway, my radar will tell me which vehical is traveling the fastest and which lane. I can shoot while stationary and while moving front and rear. Technology is Great !!!!!!!!!!!!!
How do you get "trained" to estimate speed and distance to a straight on "target"? Echo location implants?

I'm really not trying to be a smartazz but, I'm a curious electrical engineer. What margin of error can someone be trained to? I have a hard time believing that a "professional quess" would hold up in court?

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Old Aug 29, 2010 | 05:21 AM
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How do you get "trained" to estimate speed and distance to a straight on "target"? Echo location implants?

I'm really not trying to be a smartazz but, I'm a curious electrical engineer. What margin of error can someone be trained to? I have a hard time believing that a "professional quess" would hold up in court?
it would not, a v1 and common sense has keep me ticket free for 8 years. I have both my z06 and 911 turbo hard wired for it.
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Old Aug 29, 2010 | 05:33 AM
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it would not, a v1 and common sense has keep me ticket free for 8 years. I have both my z06 and 911 turbo hard wired for it.
My V1 has kept me ticket free for 4 years.

... and just to be clear for everyone... I don't street race or excessively speed.
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Old Aug 29, 2010 | 06:19 AM
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How do you get "trained" to estimate speed and distance to a straight on "target"? Echo location implants?
I think the "training" comes from years of experience. I got so good at visually estimating a vehicle's speed that I would be right on or just a mph off before using my radar. Personally, I never issued a ticket based on how fast I thought a vehicle was going without verifying the speed with radar. (I would use it as probable cause to stop a vehicle.) I also never liked to use moving radar because I thought that there were too many variables, especially when there were several vehicles approaching from the opposite direction.
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Old Aug 30, 2010 | 12:27 AM
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Bel GX65 is pricey but really really good at picking up bleedover--the only real defense against our friends like flynbyu2. It also has a database of traffic light and fixed speed cameras, verified speed traps, and lets you program your own speed trap reminders. Hey flynby, what's your favorite clocking place?


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Honestly, I don't do much traffic enforcement anymore...I have a K9 now. Since they passed the "Hands-free cellphone law here, I could easily write 10 a day.

I haven't worked RADAR or LIDAR in 3 years or so.

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Old Aug 30, 2010 | 01:40 AM
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Radar Detector is not gonna help you at all. Tired of the Police pulling you over? Drive the speed limit

I was on my way to work when I got pulled over and received a verbal warning, because the idiot in front of me was going 53mph on a 55 mph highway in the left lane and because I was going 63mph for a couple seconds while passing him.(I had only one chance to pass him since there was a truck driving in the right lane whom I had no problems with) The warning I got doesn't bother me at all, but the attitude of people like that makes me feel a little sad. What is it with arrogant attitude? Is it a compensation for lack of something or the job of a police officer requires to be like that?
I'm curious if you always drive the speed limits like you advise everybody.
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Old Aug 30, 2010 | 02:08 AM
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Originally Posted by flynbyu2
I hold a current radar operator license and I can tell you that by the time my beam sees you, it's too late. I don't pull the trigger to activate the radar until I observe a car traveling (way) in excess of the posted limit.
Well, while you're nailing the rabbits, I'm smelling the cabbage and staying out of the briar patch. So I'm quite happy to always motor with my V1.

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Old Aug 30, 2010 | 04:55 AM
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Originally Posted by flynbyu2
I hold a current radar operator license and I can tell you that by the time my beam sees you, it's too late. I don't pull the trigger to activate the radar until I observe a car traveling (way) in excess of the posted limit.

Once I visually observe the car, I pull the trigger on the radar, listen for the corresponding doppler effect, confirm my estimated speed with the speed listed on the radar gun, and send the rabbits after you.

There is no radar signal for your detector to pick up until it's too late.

And just for the people with radar detectors in their cars, I sometimes drive around with the radar on, pointed out the front or back window, even though I have no intention of writing any tickets. It sure seems to slow traffic down, haha! Must be settting detectors off for miles around.
That was one of my favorite things to do: drive around with radar on and watch the brake lights activate all over the place! Or park in median just over hillcrest and watch the ones who were really speeding try to change lanes to make it look like they were passing other traffic. Too late by then! It always made people drive more carefully. I let a lot more people go than I cited.

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Old Aug 30, 2010 | 12:06 PM
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That was one of my favorite things to do: drive around with radar on and watch the brake lights activate all over the place! Or park in median just over hillcrest and watch the ones who were really speeding try to change lanes to make it look like they were passing other traffic. Too late by then! It always made people drive more carefully. I let a lot more people go than I cited.
And than leo's wonder why so many people don't respect them!?! Great job there. As to radar detectors not working that is total BS. A good radar detector will always pick up a signal at one and a half time the effective range of the gun. It's how all radar works; and you wonder why we don't trust your "expertise"? And yes I had many years of training and operation on using radar and counter measures. Detectors don't give you a right to speed or help if you are not paying attention (such as instant on units) but saying they are not effective or don't work just shows a lack of knowledge on the subject. It is why our military, which has the finest radar in the world, never turn it on until the last seconds in an attack because it is sooo easy to be detected! A sharp officer in the perfect position with an instant on gun is almost impossible to beat. Fortunatly you don't find that situation in the real world very often. JMHO ( Oh! Over 1 million miles with only one speeding ticket. I forgot to turn the Valentine 1 back on after a breakfast stop. Sometimes you gotta pay. Even Maverick got beat by Jester once!)
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Old Aug 30, 2010 | 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim in Mich
I guess what gets me worked up is that you can be cruising in traffic and going with the flow, which is about 5 to 10 over the limit, and just as sure as dog poop sticks to sneakers the vette is the one that's going to be pulled over. The guy in the Buick just smiles and keeps on going!
Funny story: when I was in high school, I was driving my parents V6 Camry, which had some get up to it compared to the honda's rolling around my small town.

Had a red light (2 lanes each way) With a Integra and an Accord lined up. Light turns green and they take off, with me right behind em. We all fly past a cop doing 10-15 over, he drives past me and pulls over the honda.

The beauty of being in a "family" car.
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Old Aug 30, 2010 | 01:07 PM
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I have heard that the instant on is not intended for citation by the manufacture, because its not accurate until it is warmed up and that mode is for observation only. Is this true? doesn't really matter, it seems that instant on and laser are mostly used around city streets neighborhoods where I would never speed anyway. On the open road our highway patrol leaves them on.
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Old Aug 30, 2010 | 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Airforce 1
I'm a State Trooper (I'll withhold the state). I use radar daily, but I'm also speed & distance certified. What that means is, because I visually estimate your speed before I use my radar, I can ticket you based on my visual estimate. On a three lane highway, my radar will tell me which vehical is traveling the fastest and which lane. I can shoot while stationary and while moving front and rear. Technology is Great !!!!!!!!!!!!!

a nice word is Road Pirate

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Revenue Agent
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Old Aug 30, 2010 | 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Airforce 1
I'm a State Trooper (I'll withhold the state). I use radar daily, but I'm also speed & distance certified. What that means is, because I visually estimate your speed before I use my radar, I can ticket you based on my visual estimate. On a three lane highway, my radar will tell me which vehical is traveling the fastest and which lane. I can shoot while stationary and while moving front and rear. Technology is Great !!!!!!!!!!!!!
You would think a traffic cop that uses radar daily would at least know how to spell vehicle... That's pretty sad to say the least.

As far as detectors go, I did a lot of research on the v1, and a lot of people say it gets more interference from automatic doors and other false signals than the escort.
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Old Aug 30, 2010 | 05:25 PM
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I tried to make this short but it was a little difficult…

You know fellas, I'm not making excuses for any events that have taken place while you've been driving. You're not the one who responds to tragic vehicle accidents on a weekly sometimes daily basis involving needless / senseless loss of life. I have been to ‘Nam, Northern I Corps for two tours of duty and I have to tell you I still had trouble seeing deceased, mangled children at the scene of an accident.

Most of the time... almost every time... the common denominator was speed. You've got to keep it reasonable and safe.

You know when you’re unfortunate to experience a traffic stop for speeding that it wasn’t because you were going one or two miles over the posted speed limit. Hey, if you do get stopped for speeding take the time to thank the officer for nailing you because you know you deserved it.

Remember the same LEOs you cajole on this forum have sworn to protect the lives of everyone in their community… even if it means placing their lives on the line in life threatening situations. You can only pray that through the training they receive and their desire to serve and protect that when life threatening decisions have to be made that they will make the correct one.

Sorry, I'm off the soapbox now and I feel better. I’m retired…

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Old Aug 30, 2010 | 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by flynbyu2
I hold a current radar operator license and I can tell you that by the time my beam sees you, it's too late. I don't pull the trigger to activate the radar until I observe a car traveling (way) in excess of the posted limit.

Once I visually observe the car, I pull the trigger on the radar, listen for the corresponding doppler effect, confirm my estimated speed with the speed listed on the radar gun, and send the rabbits after you.

There is no radar signal for your detector to pick up until it's too late.

And just for the people with radar detectors in their cars, I sometimes drive around with the radar on, pointed out the front or back window, even though I have no intention of writing any tickets. It sure seems to slow traffic down, haha! Must be settting detectors off for miles around.
Typical cop response: "nope. radar detector won't help you a bit. Once I hit that trigger, I've got ya!" The other one I like: "no, we don't have quotas when it comes to writing tickets.." Riiiiight. And I'm the Easter Bunny too. I can't count the many times my Valentine One has saved me from the cops. Between the bogey counter and the arrows, I can practically guarantee you I'll know where they are long before they get a lock on me. On the interstate, I cruise along at around 80, and invariably, there'll be some rabbit or rabbits blowing by me at 85 or 90. I always get a chuckle when I see them pulled over by the troopers a mile or two down the road. Meanwhile, my V1 has long since warned me of their presence. That's OK though, let them just go on thinking my V1 won't do me any good.....LMAO!!
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keep it reasonable and safe.

Sooooo ... since it is about SAFETY, You just gave out Warnings, right ..?? ..??

Not to bust Your *****, Bob, but if someone is traveling 62 mph, in a Posted 55 mph Zone ...

Who ... is the Injured Party ..??
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Old Aug 30, 2010 | 08:14 PM
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their desire to serve and protect
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maybe 25 years ago that might have been true..

Explain why the Pennsylvania State Police cars now exhibit the slogan Soldiers of the Law ..???


there ain't no " Serve and Protect " on them cars

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Old Aug 30, 2010 | 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by BobAruba
I tried to make this short but it was a little difficult…

You know fellas, I'm not making excuses for any events that have taken place while you've been driving. You're not the one who responds to tragic vehicle accidents on a weekly sometimes daily basis involving needless / senseless loss of life. I have been to ‘Nam, Northern I Corps for two tours of duty and I have to tell you I still had trouble seeing deceased, mangled children at the scene of an accident.

Most of the time... almost every time... the common denominator was speed. You've got to keep it reasonable and safe.

You know when you’re unfortunate to experience a traffic stop for speeding that it wasn’t because you were going one or two miles over the posted speed limit. Hey, if you do get stopped for speeding take the time to thank the officer for nailing you because you know you deserved it.

Remember the same LEOs you cajole on this forum have sworn to protect the lives of everyone in their community… even if it means placing their lives on the line in life threatening situations. You can only pray that through the training they receive and their desire to serve and protect that when life threatening decisions have to be made that they will make the correct one.

Sorry, I'm off the soapbox now and I feel better. I’m retired…

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speed is always a common denominator because everyone all the time is a little over the limit so its easy to say, but I would say the real reason is pick one of the following: asleep at the wheel,trying to dial a phone#, eating, drinking, driving drunk, one hand on the wheel, not watching out for what going on around you, day dreaming, fighting with someone in the car, putting on makeup( I've seen it) I saw some dumbass eating a bowl of frosted flakes for hell sakes, running red lights, running stop signs, pushing the yellow lights at a intersection but no its always speeding. that said I am respectful of officers and the many of their other responsibilities, giving speeding tickets on freeways has very little to do with safety.
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