Looking for more cornering stability.
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Right now I am running this set up from PFADT web site
Front min max
Camber (deg) -1.1 -1.3
Caster (deg) 7.5 8.5
Toe -1/16" 0
Rear
Camber (deg) -0.7 -0.9
Toe -1/8" -1/16"
She handles like never before and yes she is slammed.
I have edlebrock shocks forgot which ones but their top of the line for passenger vehicle use they are red in color. I have ZO6 sway bars and stock C5 springs. I also got rid of my ZO6 replica wheels and got a set of Speedline ZO6 wheels.
I found that the after market heavy wheels along with a stock C5 alignment where not doing me any help.
http://www.pfadtracing.com/blog/wp-c...-alignment.pdf
^^ that's the web site J.R. a member here gave me.
good luck.
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I had goodyear GSD3s before, the problem I was having was present with them too.
Could the alignment cause the car to be wobbly? I thought its only real impact was on overall grip, turn in, etc
Could the alignment cause the car to be wobbly? I thought its only real impact was on overall grip, turn in, etc
Last edited by Kale; Jan 23, 2011 at 07:07 PM.
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Kale,
Probably biggest and lowest cost improvement would be upgrading your sways to C6 Z51 sways.... Paired with your C6 Z06 shocks it should help even things out more than changing the springs. Gene had a special on the Z51 sways with free Pfadt bushings.
Your next jump after that would be coilovers so you can eliminate the springs all together. That should give you all the grip you want and give you that ecstatic feeling....
Probably biggest and lowest cost improvement would be upgrading your sways to C6 Z51 sways.... Paired with your C6 Z06 shocks it should help even things out more than changing the springs. Gene had a special on the Z51 sways with free Pfadt bushings.
Your next jump after that would be coilovers so you can eliminate the springs all together. That should give you all the grip you want and give you that ecstatic feeling....
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Z06 sways and shocks.
base spring.
I feel like maybe it's the spring causing me headaches.
When the car is in transitions, or toward the edge of its handling it will get, for a lack of better words, wobbly.
Is this just a function of having too much shock for my springs?
How much will springs hurt my ride quality?
base spring.
I feel like maybe it's the spring causing me headaches.
When the car is in transitions, or toward the edge of its handling it will get, for a lack of better words, wobbly.
Is this just a function of having too much shock for my springs?
How much will springs hurt my ride quality?
You can't have a nice soft ride and track like it's on rails.
Set of Z06 springs would be a big help in handling. You could find used for cheap I would guess.
Your shocks are not making the car as you seem to describe with the base springs.
Last edited by John Shiels; Jan 26, 2011 at 02:30 PM.
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Shocks have maybe 2k miles on them.
BTW, got some real driving in after putting the car back to stock ride height and it feels a lot more stable.
A forum member gave me a good deal on Z06 springs so those are coming next week.
I am willing to have a firm ride. I just don't want that c4 z51 ride. That was fun when I was 19, but not anymore.
BTW, got some real driving in after putting the car back to stock ride height and it feels a lot more stable.
A forum member gave me a good deal on Z06 springs so those are coming next week.
I am willing to have a firm ride. I just don't want that c4 z51 ride. That was fun when I was 19, but not anymore.
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Shocks have maybe 2k miles on them.
BTW, got some real driving in after putting the car back to stock ride height and it feels a lot more stable.
A forum member gave me a good deal on Z06 springs so those are coming next week.
I am willing to have a firm ride. I just don't want that c4 z51 ride. That was fun when I was 19, but not anymore.
BTW, got some real driving in after putting the car back to stock ride height and it feels a lot more stable.
A forum member gave me a good deal on Z06 springs so those are coming next week.
I am willing to have a firm ride. I just don't want that c4 z51 ride. That was fun when I was 19, but not anymore.
May be 2,000? I would guess an OEM shock starts going away at 10,000 or even sooner.
Also check the bushings on the anti-roll bars / sways
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Upgrade your tires first to either a Proxes r888 or falken azenis after that have your suspension checked and have a good alignment set up. I was having your same issues after my upgrade.
Right now I am running this set up from PFADT web site
Front min max
Camber (deg) -1.1 -1.3
Caster (deg) 7.5 8.5
Toe -1/16" 0
Rear
Camber (deg) -0.7 -0.9
Toe -1/8" -1/16"
She handles like never before and yes she is slammed.
I have edlebrock shocks forgot which ones but their top of the line for passenger vehicle use they are red in color. I have ZO6 sway bars and stock C5 springs. I also got rid of my ZO6 replica wheels and got a set of Speedline ZO6 wheels.
I found that the after market heavy wheels along with a stock C5 alignment where not doing me any help.
http://www.pfadtracing.com/blog/wp-c...-alignment.pdf
^^ that's the web site J.R. a member here gave me.
good luck.
Right now I am running this set up from PFADT web site
Front min max
Camber (deg) -1.1 -1.3
Caster (deg) 7.5 8.5
Toe -1/16" 0
Rear
Camber (deg) -0.7 -0.9
Toe -1/8" -1/16"
She handles like never before and yes she is slammed.
I have edlebrock shocks forgot which ones but their top of the line for passenger vehicle use they are red in color. I have ZO6 sway bars and stock C5 springs. I also got rid of my ZO6 replica wheels and got a set of Speedline ZO6 wheels.
I found that the after market heavy wheels along with a stock C5 alignment where not doing me any help.
http://www.pfadtracing.com/blog/wp-c...-alignment.pdf
^^ that's the web site J.R. a member here gave me.
good luck.
I am currently running Bilstein shocks, Z06 springs, C6 Z51 sways w/ poly bushings, and Toyo T1R tires and while the car is stable and sharp at high speed turns, its dull and floaty below 50mph.
My plan was to install poly bushings in the front control arms but they sound like they are a pretty high maintanence item, and if an alignment could really shaper up the feel of the car I would be ecstatic.
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Although I would be reluctant to run R888s or Azenis on a street car, I think an aggressive alignment is pretty reasonable. I imagine you didn't do all these at once, and if not, was the alignment by any chance the biggest contributor to sharper steering?
No I did the shocks, then sway bars, then the rims, and finally the alignment. I lowered her probably a week after I got her. The monster truck look is not for me.JK Some people might take offense to that but since I have had her slammed for so long anything other than that looks really high to me.
I am currently running Bilstein shocks, Z06 springs, C6 Z51 sways w/ poly bushings, and Toyo T1R tires and while the car is stable and sharp at high speed turns, its dull and floaty below 50mph.
Bilstein shocks a really good shocks, but I found that the Edelbrock Performer IAS Series Shocks 34028 are a bit better. They tend to hold the Car a lot better on the road. The Inertia Active System it has does work. It senses the terrain of the road and stiffens or loosens depending on road conditions or how you are driving. I am very happy with the shocks.
My plan was to install poly bushings in the front control arms but they sound like they are a pretty high maintenance item, and if an alignment could really sharper up the feel of the car I would be ecstatic.
No I did the shocks, then sway bars, then the rims, and finally the alignment. I lowered her probably a week after I got her. The monster truck look is not for me.JK Some people might take offense to that but since I have had her slammed for so long anything other than that looks really high to me.
I am currently running Bilstein shocks, Z06 springs, C6 Z51 sways w/ poly bushings, and Toyo T1R tires and while the car is stable and sharp at high speed turns, its dull and floaty below 50mph.
Bilstein shocks a really good shocks, but I found that the Edelbrock Performer IAS Series Shocks 34028 are a bit better. They tend to hold the Car a lot better on the road. The Inertia Active System it has does work. It senses the terrain of the road and stiffens or loosens depending on road conditions or how you are driving. I am very happy with the shocks.
My plan was to install poly bushings in the front control arms but they sound like they are a pretty high maintenance item, and if an alignment could really sharper up the feel of the car I would be ecstatic.
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I have absolutely no complaints about steering or anything. The car has over a 100K miles and i have a buddy with a C5 with 30K miles. He says that he can feel the difference between both cars steering but that for a 100K+ mile ar that it still feels pretty dam good. So right now am not too worried. Once I have her apart for the install of the 402 I will be upgrading steering equipment, bushings, linkages, and so on.
If that was the case, what change improved the handling of the car to your liking? Was it the alignment, or was it something else I missed? Thanks for your help!
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I'm sorry, in your earlier post you said that after upgrading the parts you were having the same issue as the OP, which I interpreted to mean you had upgraded the suspension but still felt like the handling was as good as it should be. Did I understand that correctly?
If that was the case, what change improved the handling of the car to your liking? Was it the alignment, or was it something else I missed? Thanks for your help!
If that was the case, what change improved the handling of the car to your liking? Was it the alignment, or was it something else I missed? Thanks for your help!
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Kale,
Probably biggest and lowest cost improvement would be upgrading your sways to C6 Z51 sways.... Paired with your C6 Z06 shocks it should help even things out more than changing the springs. Gene had a special on the Z51 sways with free Pfadt bushings.
Your next jump after that would be coilovers so you can eliminate the springs all together. That should give you all the grip you want and give you that ecstatic feeling....
Probably biggest and lowest cost improvement would be upgrading your sways to C6 Z51 sways.... Paired with your C6 Z06 shocks it should help even things out more than changing the springs. Gene had a special on the Z51 sways with free Pfadt bushings.
Your next jump after that would be coilovers so you can eliminate the springs all together. That should give you all the grip you want and give you that ecstatic feeling....
The tires are quieter than the Goodyears but only have 200 miles on them and then stored for the winter so I can't comment if they helped with the cars cornering ability as of yet. Also had a new alignment after the sway bars were added. The new sway bars are larger than the stock sway bars and my end links were plastic on the 2000 vert until I changed them to the metal links
from Gene. Very satisfied. Almost all of the cars that I have owned were lowered but really don't feel that added to it's flatness when cornering so I won't do that to the vert.
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[QUOTE=AU N EGL;1576590952]a few things to consider to help cornering:
- alignment ( need the aggressive Z06 alignment or better. stock alignment will not do at all ) the more negative camber the better the cornering.
So true. I just had mine aligned and told them 0 negative camber to reduce inside tire wear. I am not happy with the result. The corning and handling is way off. I will have to get it realigned and put some neg camber back in a live with the reduced tire life.
- alignment ( need the aggressive Z06 alignment or better. stock alignment will not do at all ) the more negative camber the better the cornering.
So true. I just had mine aligned and told them 0 negative camber to reduce inside tire wear. I am not happy with the result. The corning and handling is way off. I will have to get it realigned and put some neg camber back in a live with the reduced tire life.
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Thanks to FLYNAVY30 I am now the owner of a set of z06 springs.
I threw the rears on this evening and went for a little test drive.
I didn't push it too hard but - WHOA - this thing is MUCH closer to what I was looking for.
No more "pogo stick" feeling. The rear is planted now.
Can't wait to get the fronts in.
I threw the rears on this evening and went for a little test drive.
I didn't push it too hard but - WHOA - this thing is MUCH closer to what I was looking for.
No more "pogo stick" feeling. The rear is planted now.
Can't wait to get the fronts in.
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Thanks to FLYNAVY30 I am now the owner of a set of z06 springs.
I threw the rears on this evening and went for a little test drive.
I didn't push it too hard but - WHOA - this thing is MUCH closer to what I was looking for.
No more "pogo stick" feeling. The rear is planted now.
Can't wait to get the fronts in.
I threw the rears on this evening and went for a little test drive.
I didn't push it too hard but - WHOA - this thing is MUCH closer to what I was looking for.
No more "pogo stick" feeling. The rear is planted now.
Can't wait to get the fronts in.
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Just did the rears so far. The hardest part was getting the C clips off the rear spring.
I also have a kwiklift so I was able to get under the car. After that, it's just 6 bolts and 2 nuts!
It took me 2 hours, but that included a lot of slacking off.
I also have a kwiklift so I was able to get under the car. After that, it's just 6 bolts and 2 nuts!
It took me 2 hours, but that included a lot of slacking off.
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Hey man, just did the fronts.
I used the method where you jack the spring up then pull the lower a-arm away.
The hardest part was using one arm to push the spring into place and the other to bolt the (for lack of better words) bracket since you have to nearly fully compress the spring one handed.
It took 2.5 hours (so about 4-5 hours total.) Having a buddy would help A LOT.
I used the method where you jack the spring up then pull the lower a-arm away.
The hardest part was using one arm to push the spring into place and the other to bolt the (for lack of better words) bracket since you have to nearly fully compress the spring one handed.
It took 2.5 hours (so about 4-5 hours total.) Having a buddy would help A LOT.