What is relevant to the argument has nothing to do with moderation on a forum..It has to do with what is germain to the debate. What type of logic is that..? Second, driving around in a parking lot has zero to do with three high speed straight runs down an interstate. Third, that 2.49 cents worth of trivia is called racing heritage and is fact. I didn't post the information hoping to make RX-7's faster..The RX-7s race record speaks for itself..as does the ignorance of others. :cheers:

 

I know that Rx7 turbos can be modified to go fast, and that they are good in autocrosses, but that didn't make me want to keep our 93 model year car.

It was without a doubt the biggest lemon I have ever owned. My 1969 Alfa Romeo was considerably more reliable. The RX-7 had a string of recalls and TSBs a mile long, plus other continuous problems. My car was stock and the hissy spitty engine sucked gas and had a big bog between the 1st and 2nd turbo. it was a totally unappealing engine. The car rode like a buckboard and rattled like crazy after all the lubrication went out of the rear end 'pillow ball' bushings.

I finally sold it because I worked on it more then I drove it. I did like the small size and handling, and I think the styling is still excellent today. I know our 01 Z06 costs twice as much as our 9 year old Mazda, but there is simply no comparison between the cars in overall desirability.

Jim

 

He was running in Super Stock... how far from stock could he have been? R1 shocks and a different exhaust?
Big deal...


[Modified by Dreamin, 1:50 PM 4/11/2002]

 

I'm by no means an RX-7 expert, but I don't really doubt the outcome of this race. They are excellent performance cars without a doubt, especially once BPU mods are performed. BUT, like Jim said, they tend to be lemons. I've known a couple of people and have heard of several more that have had their engines replaced/rebuilt at the 50-60k mile mark. To me this is totally unacceptable for a modern automobile. And its too bad really, because it's such a unique and capable vehicle. For me its Z06 all the way (well, after the ZR-1 :) )

Derek

 

I've personally watched modified Pintos, Vegas, and Mustangs turn better 1/4 miles times than a stock Z06. You will never see me driving a Pinto, Vega, Mustang, or :U RX-7. Please remember that this is a Vette forum.

:flag



[Modified by rbartick, 4:15 PM 4/11/2002]

 

:rolleyes:

"To each his own I guess". I'd never sell my '93 CYM (Competition Yellow Mica) RX-7 - despite the little offers left on my windsheild from people requesting me to sell it to them. I have had no problems with my RX-7.....Nada.

I have modded the car like most enthusiasts & one key mod was replacing the stock rubber Turbo hoses with higher quality silicone hoses (to prevent dry rot from the engine heat produced from the Rotary & the twins).

Your RX-7 rattled? Mine (and my brother's) are both rock solid. Every American GT I've had was a noisy POS! When I got my RX-7, it not only was "sculpted" around the driver, but the fit & finish were far superior. I'd never part with my RX-7. Its solid, is a little quicker than a Viper GTS, is very rare, and handles unbelievably!

Too bad you had a bad experience. Everyone I've ever talked to loves their 3rd Gen RX-7. They can be "finicky" unless you replace the hoses, but beyond that, they are very reliable (the engines have less than half the moving parts of a piston engine). Some people mod the cars without buying an ECU & they detonate the motors because they don't improve fuel delivery - they deserve what they get - but its not a reflection of a bad engine design, rather ignorance of owners when performing ill advised modifications to a Rotary. :yesnod:

-Matt
'93 RX-7 R1
2640 lbs, 342 RWHP

 

My bad..I was refering to the post about the original race.. BTW: How competitive is an early eighties corvette with an early 90's RX-7..? That is what you are doing with a Z06..The problem is the RX-7 tt is beating the Z06 sometimes..:cheers:


[Modified by Mr turbo rotary, 5:21 PM 4/11/2002]

 

I also have watched pinto's vegas etc that were fast in the 1/4 mile (better than a Z06) but not one that was well balanced (road course, road rally, Imsa, SCCA, etc) and had race heritage to prove it. But you won't see me driving one either or a :U Z06..Yes this is a corvette forum like other forums open to EVERYONE.. :flag

 

You might want to look at how many C5's were returned under the lemon law when they first came out. :eek: Desirability is a personal issue, the rx-7 tt went up in NADA last year. They are very desirable. I also have had multiple offers for my car....


[Modified by Mr turbo rotary, 5:16 PM 4/11/2002]

 

Welcome aboard. How much RWT does your ride provide? ;)

 

My 1983 Z28 with a ZZ3 Crate motor Dusted a Brand New RX7 Twin Turbo on a lonely highway early in the morning several years back!
The Car was a nice looking car (I've always liked the look of the last generation of the RX7 TT) but I killed it on the highway. He was cool though, we actually slowed down and rolled windows down to talk. I asked how fast he was going as my speedo was a reaclibrated 140MPH and it was pinned. He said his was about 162 MPH and he couldn't catch me.
So my 2 cents: My old Modded Z28 could dust a then new RX7 TT.
I'm sure a Modded RX7 TT could probably dust a Z06 or a Porsche GT2 given enough money and time.

 

Uhh, his car wasn't running right OR your Z28 was HIGHLY modded (I have no idea what a "crate" motor is sir).

Stock 3rd Gen RX-7s run mid 13 sec 1/4s - not blinding - but faster than anything produced in 1983.

-Matt
'93 CYM RX-7 R1

 

Yellow R1, some crate motors make 500 plus hp..Btw: I actually think Z06's are fantastic cars, look at the spookya thread in the kill section. :cheers:

 

VetterMan, Notice my post count, been here for some time. Spend most of my time beating up on liberals in the political section.. :lol: Thanks for the welcome anyhow. I believe my car made 351ft.lbs (rwtq) @ 15 psi. It weighs 2570 lbs. Torque is for trucks, hp wins races.. :cheers:





[Modified by Mr turbo rotary, 9:13 PM 4/11/2002]

 

:cheers: :cheers:

I once had a moded out RX-7 as well ... kewl, but the Z06 is superior in just about every way. Grab one you'll luv it. Best to you. :blueangel:

PS: Was just havin' some fun with ya about the torque issue.:jester You've got to have the boost maxed out to have any on that animal. And all things being equal, gobs of torque more fun. :yesnod:

 

Actually, according to the guy that actually ran the race, he is not in the 11's at all. He's actually a pretty cool and level headed guy and made the argument that, at the high altitude they live, the FI RX7 has a big advantage over the Z06. He even went through the trouble of estimating and calculating the power loss the Z06 was probably suffering.

I believe he actually mentioned that he runs mid 12's.

It's pretty funny how distorted that thread got once it was linked here. The RX7 guys on the actual RX7 forum seemed a lot less defensive than the RX7 guys responding here :eek:

Why is this even posted here??? This is the kind of BS that pisses people off. You come to a Corvette board and post SOMEONE ELSES KILL in a CAR SPECIFIC SECTION???? :troll

The original poster doesn't even OWN a 7!!! Stop trying to cause trouble man... I noticed you now reposted this thing in the "kill section" as well. Don't stir up BS for the sake of it :nono:

 

I posted a thread a while ago.....I got torn up, on here! These guy's have the best FLAM WARS that I've come a cross.......Isn't that why your posting now!
In my post I raced a Vette and they ate me alive!, so I was curious if all other posting of someone beating a Vette were similar! AND guess what!?, they are!
At first I was upset, but then I read a lot of other threads in here and it seems to me that it's all in good fun, because most people are CAR NUTS of many different types and styles, I hope anyway! Besides!, why can't someone share with the rest of the world? He did race a Vette and we're in the Vette forums, are we not? The point was to see if all imports would get torn up here like I did? YUP! they sure did, hook line and sinker!

Maybe your correct about not stirring BS up, I was just curious! :seeya
Maybe I was a :conehead for doing it!


[Modified by GSTspeedracer, 7:21 PM 4/12/2002]


[Modified by GSTspeedracer, 7:23 PM 4/12/2002]

 

Well, my main beef was that it's here in the Z06 Section, but you moved it over to the Kill Section, so that's fine..

You have to realize how big of a difference there is between a native posting a kill in their own kill section, and a visitor doing that.

It seems that the Corvette Forum is always a target of this and people are really hypocritical about it.

How many "I KILLED AN RX7" threads do you see on the 7 forum? How many "I KILLED A SUPRA" threads do you see on the Supra forum? Not many. When they do pop up, how nasty and hostile is the response? Damn hostile! I'm on all these forums and I see it all the time.

I don't understand why the import guys feel that the domestic guys are so "arrogant and close minded" when the same kind of stuff happens everywhere.

Either way, you moved it where it belongs so maybe the mods can close this one?