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Old Jun 18, 2011 | 05:32 AM
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Are electric water pumps' prices ($400-$650) worth the increase in performance (8-14hp)?

Do cars need to be retuned after installing said pumps?
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Old Jun 18, 2011 | 11:06 AM
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Anyone?
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Old Jun 18, 2011 | 11:09 AM
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I like to take my cars to the drag strip. So with that being said I am able to cool down the car in between runs. So its + for me. But for just a regular daily driver I dont see the need unless you are after max HP. If you want a better flowing pump get an evans.
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Old Jul 29, 2011 | 01:57 PM
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Old Jul 29, 2011 | 02:00 PM
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Can't comment on track performance but, even living in Vegas, the electric fans rarely cut in. Why modify a system that seems to work?

I'm always wary of such amazing HP claims just by running a tad cooler.
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Old Jul 29, 2011 | 02:18 PM
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HP gains probably have a lot more to do with the parasitic loss due to the pumping of the coolant than the temperature of the coolant.
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Old Jul 29, 2011 | 07:12 PM
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I bought a used one for less than half price off another forum. Used it for 3 years, and sold it for more than I paid. Car ran cooler, and with all bolt-ons, with a H/mildC car, did 483 RWHP before the clutch gave up. I don't know how much, if any the EWP helped to achieve that, but it's a pretty good # for a mild build/conservative tune.
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Old Jul 29, 2011 | 09:11 PM
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I think it's closer to about seven (7) hp. But when you're looking for ANY place to gain some more hp, "anywhere" you can pick-up 7 is good thing.
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Old Jul 29, 2011 | 09:38 PM
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I heard the electric water pumps help the engine/car rev faster?

I hope so
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Originally Posted by Kamauxx
Simple questions.

Are electric water pumps' prices ($400-$650) worth the increase in performance (8-14hp)?

Do cars need to be retuned after installing said pumps?
EWP's are awesome in a few ways:

(1) No re-tuning is necessary
(2) If in the event you throw a belt it will not over heat (Biggest benefit by far)
(3) In the long run the extra RWHP is not bad at all especially if you are staying Naturally Aspirated
(4) They look cool too - your choice of color

I run one on mine and tore a belt and I still made it to work and home, I do run the Flip-Drive system on my Supercharger so my Power Steering and Alternator were still running -

BUT in the event you drop your belt you can safely make it off the freeway and to a area without overheating the motor and risking damage! you more than likely would even make it to home on the battery's power

Thanks,Matt
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Matt can you comment on the faster revving? I've heard an underdrive pulley does it to.
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also keeps the trans fluid cooler in an auto. running my 382 with no trans cooler the ewp pumps so well i rarely get to 210 degrees and only after back to back passes
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Matt can you comment on the faster revving? I've heard an underdrive pulley does it to.
Well! I have not heard of faster revving for the motor - "BUT" when you think of it there is no para-static loss of having to turn the water pump and push he fluid through the motor -

Which essentially would free up HP that would be needed to turn the pump - Kinda like turning off the AC when it is on there is way less drag on the motor !

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Old Jul 30, 2011 | 12:58 AM
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How about dependability? I've read some things about short life span. Any truth to that? It's been the only reason I haven't bought one.
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Yea Matt, they basically said how since its less the motor has to turn! It will spin more freely than before. And their website says 3000+ hours life expectancy

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I've thought about using one but I drive a LOT (13K miles so far this year) and I already have the 25% underdrive pulley so I think my gain would be minimal.
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Originally Posted by Camjamsdad
How about dependability? I've read some things about short life span. Any truth to that? It's been the only reason I haven't bought one.
I myself have never had issue and am no where near 3,000 hours, and when they test those things they do it straight!

3,000 hours is a long time - that would equal 125 days driving straight for 24 hours and still it wouldn't fail - they suggest to send it in for a tune up -

Originally Posted by powerjunky
Yea Matt, they basically said how since its less the motor has to turn! It will spin more freely than before. And their website says 3000+ hours life expectancy
I think it is worth the investment by far!

Thanks,Matt
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Old Jul 30, 2011 | 09:30 AM
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I have always been a LONG time subscriber to "HOT ROD" type magazines,, mainly Car Craft and Chevy High Performance. CC did test on various items related to cooling. The biggest gain was from converting to electric fans,,which we already have. On a mainly street driven car,,seems the under drive pulley would give best bang for the buck as it lowers cranking load of the pump AND alternator!! I can see the hp numbers from reduced cranking load,,but that is a lot of money for that gain. Now a car that sees a fair amount of strip or track time it would be worth the money,,street,,not too sure!!
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Old Jul 30, 2011 | 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by madmatt9471
I think it is worth the investment by far!

Thanks,Matt

I think this pump,with a 25% underdrive pulley,my harrop, and a 25lb clutch and flywheel setup....will be one very fast revving V8.
Thats what I'm trying to accomplish at least. TSP even sells and underdrive pulley for the alternator
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Old Jul 31, 2011 | 06:17 PM
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I had to have the motor bearings changed after 1200 hours and that cost $200 but at least they didn't fail on the road, they just got louder by the week. There is supposed to be less drag on the engine at high rpms compared to a mechanical pump but any energy the electrc pump uses comes from the alternator which of course is from the crankshaft. Horsepower TV did a dyno comparison between an electric and mechanical pump and showed gains with the electric. However, when they ran the electric pump it was powered by the building electricity since there was no alternator on the engine, hence the power gain!
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