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Old Mar 14, 2012 | 11:30 AM
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If you don't believe the manual that the car should run on high octane why would you believe the company that the car needs more than 4 quarts of oil in it. If you cut back you probably would not feel it or hear it, at least for a while. If you are going to experiment by going to mid range fuel then the lowest octane why not drop back a quart on oil and next time drop back another quart...Why believe the manufacturer knows what is best! "Man up"
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Old Mar 14, 2012 | 11:35 AM
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Except the manual doesn't say that....
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Old Mar 14, 2012 | 01:23 PM
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I'm sure my car can't tell the difference between Shell Esso Sunoco , or if it has 10w30 15w40 oil in it . if you drive hard fill her with premium, I don't drive ether one of mine hard and I don't have issues . to each his own. Non win argument . Why does the GM manual for an 05 grand prix says to change the oil every 10kms and my Buick says not to change till the computer tells you , both cars same year same engine and come off the same assembly line. My last oil change was 17,000 kms
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Old Mar 14, 2012 | 01:35 PM
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Come on. The car is fine. I am not going to go out and wreck my Vette. It's a f'n science deal. It has performed perfectly so far. As soon as it tell's me other wise we will be fine. If it pings I think I might hear it. So far we have had no knock counts. This car hauls ***.
I don't want to inflame or extend this thread, you do whatever you want, but by the time you feel a problem, . . It'll be way too late . . .Holes in pistons it a good sign. Especially cylinder #7 is the first one to good as I have read here. I just last summer bought a 2007 off lease Pontiac Grand Prix GT it;s got the L-32 engine 3.8 liter with a Eton M-90 supercharger on it. I had a hell of a problem two months I bought it. It would start if the ambient air temperature was above 70 degrees. But refused to start on a chilly mornings. Had it towed to the Chevy dealership, a great place and to cut to the chase, on page 338 in the owners manual it states "This engine must have a fuel with octane rating, or RON reading of 91 octane and the fuel must not have any more than 10% ethanol. It go on to say if you do not use these guideline damage may occur to the engine and since it is misuse, repairs will not be covered by your GMPP warranty?

Well that was my problem and what the problem was that the intake valves had so much buildup of carbon and crap from using the cheapest gasoline lead to the cars engine not being able to suck enough Air/Fuel mixture around the carbon build up before the valv started to close. Now since the intake valve was closed there wasn't a suitable mixture in the cylinder and the spark plug fired but nothing cause there wasn't any, or enough Fuel / Air to have a combustion stroke hence it won't start. It only happened on cool morning is that is when the air / Fuel mixture is the densest, and does move as fast as the warmer lighter mixture does.

So the car had to have a extensive Fuel injection cleaning procedure. It wasn't covered by my GMPP warranty as they had already stated this on page 338 but No One ever read the goddamn stupid owners manual. Who knows if they had the outcome might of been different, But the dealership had the shop foremen and Steve Spencer stay after quitting hours and went over the Pontiac with a fine tooth comb. The engine had Spark, Fuel and compression, there/s no way it can't start. They checked the stroke, compression and the fuel, all pressures were fine but the engine don't fire. It came done to the only viable left, The fuel isn't making it into the engine. So the used a tool and a chemical that I don't know the name of but it was enough to break up the deposits on the intake valves and pistons. and I have to put bottle of Chevron/Techron injector cleaner in with every other fill-up. But I'm going to get a new set of Bosch fuel injectors because I still in the morning with the engine warming up up at 1000 RPM I can feel on of the injector stumbling ever so often till it hits the 150 degree mark. But whatever, good luck pal.

They didn't charge me for the work, instead they and I work out a plan that I pay for the rental car and they cover the work done on the engine. So that is what happens if you use 87 octane instead of 91. But you mostly won't keep the car long and that next smuck deal with the problem , if they ever crop up. s I said I respect you and you can do whatever with it. I wish you good luck and a nice safe summer !
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Old Mar 14, 2012 | 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Buggyman
If you don't believe the manual that the car should run on high octane why would you believe the company that the car needs more than 4 quarts of oil in it. If you cut back you probably would not feel it or hear it, at least for a while. If you are going to experiment by going to mid range fuel then the lowest octane why not drop back a quart on oil and next time drop back another quart...Why believe the manufacturer knows what is best! "Man up"
Good point about the oil. "Everybody knows" how those engineers are in bed with all the oil companies. They just want to sell more oil.
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Old Mar 14, 2012 | 01:44 PM
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It doesn't save ANY money to run 87.

Computer backs off the timing and the fuel milage goes down.

Penny smart....pound foolish.
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Old Mar 14, 2012 | 01:44 PM
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These octane posts are almost as good as the oil posts.

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Old Mar 14, 2012 | 02:35 PM
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93 Octane? You guys are cheaping out on your engine. I only run compressed hydrazine in my car, which I buy in bulk from NASA.
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Old Mar 14, 2012 | 06:30 PM
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93 Octane? You guys are cheaping out on your engine. I only run compressed hydrazine in my car, which I buy in bulk from NASA.
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Old Mar 14, 2012 | 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Green_Devil
here we go again
Yep here we go. I'm going to just watch this one.
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Old Mar 14, 2012 | 07:47 PM
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Old Mar 14, 2012 | 08:10 PM
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Old Mar 14, 2012 | 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by ztheusa
It doesn't save ANY money to run 87.

Computer backs off the timing and the fuel milage goes down.

Penny smart....pound foolish.
I have to disagree on this. I run 87 in mine. Went on a 3,000 mile round trip, just using regular and got 32 mpg. I haved used regular in 4 c5's and a c4. No problems at all. Only time I've used premium was in the 62 and 65.
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Old Mar 14, 2012 | 08:15 PM
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Old Mar 15, 2012 | 01:07 AM
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Originally Posted by CBZZZC5
The difference between 87 and 91 is $3.80 per tank full.
Your point? Look. I'm not an idiot here. I will not hurt this car. I love it. We love it. It's really the wife's car. I just drive it every chance I get. Every dollar I can save is good since I plan to retire soon.
So far mid grade is working out just fine. Stay tuned. All you haters just pipe down.
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Old Mar 15, 2012 | 08:20 AM
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Originally Posted by torchredmadness
Why not? If it runs just as good on cheaper gas what's your point? I truly don't think regular is going to work. But, I'm going to give it a try just for the heck of it!
Because it DOESN'T run good on regular gas. And you would know that if you took the time to scan your knock retard and timming .
However, it is your car. I think there's a post on cat **** somewhere above, might be worth a try.
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Old Mar 15, 2012 | 09:01 AM
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Up here the fuel is more than liquor , so I may start to run mine on Rum or Vodka , and maybe use Crisco in the oil pan.
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Old Mar 15, 2012 | 11:30 AM
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Because it DOESN'T run good on regular gas. And you would know that if you took the time to scan your knock retard and timming .
However, it is your car. I think there's a post on cat **** somewhere above, might be worth a try.
I hope if he ever decides to sell it, he lets the buyer now he only put lower octane fuel in it.
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Do you honestly think $.20 a gallon is going to effect your retirement plans?
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Old Mar 15, 2012 | 01:31 PM
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nope but just the fact that I'm not supporting a fat cat outfit makes me feel good .
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