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Old Jun 25, 2012 | 11:51 AM
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looking at buying an 2000. previous owner states that the check engine light came on when he "flashed" the chip and all i need to do is take it to a dealer and have it reset.

sound true ?
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Old Jun 25, 2012 | 12:13 PM
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Sounds like the owner needs to take it and have it fixed if he wants to sell it.
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Old Jun 25, 2012 | 12:14 PM
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pull the codes and see what comes up... could be as little as bad O2 sensor
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Old Jun 25, 2012 | 01:37 PM
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Post the codes and all will be clear
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Old Jun 25, 2012 | 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by DeeGee
Post the codes and all will be clear
Will do. Hoping to get a test drive soon.
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Old Jun 25, 2012 | 11:21 PM
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I would want it fixed for sure before making any kind of offer - if it gets that far.
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Old Jun 26, 2012 | 03:08 AM
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looking at buying an 2000. previous owner states that the check engine light came on when he "flashed" the chip and all i need to do is take it to a dealer and have it reset.

sound true ?
Sounds like BS... What chip did he "flash" and what did he use to do it? You cannot "chip" a C5. There is no removable chip to flash.

What you can do that sounds similar is tune your PCM via a the OBDII port with a diablosport predator or similar but that should not cause a CEL.

with everyone else. Pull the codes and post them. You do not need an external scanner to read DTCs on the C5; you can pull them directly from the DIC. Instructions below. I know it's long but read all of it...


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POST DTCS!!!

READING YOUR Engine Diagnostic Trouble Codes (DTC)

This procedure should be carried out any time you experience a problem with your C5. Most inexpensive store bought aftermarket code readers will ONLY read power train DTC’s. Reading the DTC’s with the C5 built in code reader will allow you to read ALL the modules in the vehicle.

The Diagnostic Display Mode is entered with the following procedure:
1) Turn on the ignition but don't start the engine.
2) Press the RESET button to turn off any warning messages. (i.e. door open, trunk open ect)
3) Press and hold the OPTIONS button
4) While holding OPTIONS, press FUEL button four times within a 10 -second period.

Initially, the on-board diagnostics go into an Automatic Mode which will cycle through each module and shows diagnostic codes in a pre-set sequence: PCM - TCS - RTD - BCM - IPC - RADIO - HVAC - LDCM - RDCM - SCM - RFA. All codes will be displayed for each module. ( i.e. PCM = 4 codes) If none are present in a given module, you will see No More Codes on the display.

There are two types of diagnostic codes, Current and History designated with a letter suffix, “C” or “H”. A current code indicates a malfunction is present in the module displaying data. A history code indicates a problem existed sometime in the last 40 or 50 ignition cycles. When not accompanied by a current code of the same number, it's potential evidence of a previous problem, now resolved, that was not removed by clearing the codes. More likely it's an indication of an intermittent malfunction.

Intermittent codes are the most challenging of the diagnostics. An intermittent code may have happened once, may have happened more than once but is inconsistent or may be happening on a regular basis but not at the time the codes are displayed. History codes can also be caused by a current malfunction in a system that is not operating at the time codes are displayed. An example is the rear window defogger which doesn't operate until the Body Control Module detects engine rpm. For history codes set by a module that does not operate with the key on and engine off, a special diagnostic tool called a Scan Tester is necessary to properly diagnose the malfunction.

Once the system has displayed all modules, it goes into the manual mode which allows selection of each module using combinations of Driver Information Center buttons. Manual mode can also be entered during the automatic sequence by pressing any button except E/M. Once the display shows Manual Diagnostics, select a module by pressing the OPTIONS button to go forward or the TRIP button to go back. Once a module is selected, a code is displayed, and if more than one are present; press GAGES to go forward or FUEL to go back.
To exit the diagnostic mode at any time, press E/M. If you want to erase codes in a given module, press RESET To reset the codes once in manual mode, press and hold RESET until it displays NO CODES Press OPTIONS to go to the next module. Repeat the steps until you have reset the codes in all the computer modules.
NOTE!! Only reset the codes IF you want to - it is NOT necessary to do this. Clearing a code does not repair a problem. You are simply erasing the evidence of it in the module's memory. If you clear the code/s, and extinguish the Check Engine Light, your emissions status ready will NOT allow you to pass an emissions test until you have completed the required driving cycles. There are a few body module DTC’s that if set will prevent the module from operating properly. Once the DTC is cleared, the module will return to full function. This is not true for power train DTCs.

If you have never read and cleared your codes, there will probably be a lot of old history DTCs. It is recommended that you clear your codes and see if any come back during a driving cycle. Those are the ones that you need to concentrate on diagnosing.

Once you have the codes, the next question is: What to do with the information?
First, consult the factory service manual. Any serious C5 Do-It-Yourself owner should invest in the Corvette Service Manual of the appropriate model year. The Service Manual is really a requirement if you want to understand and work on your C5.

NOTE and a WARNING. You can read the DTCs while the engine is running. I pull mine up all the time while driving.
WARNING. Don’t become distracted while reading DTCs while your driving and cause an accident!!!!! Use common sense and drive safe.

These are some very good C5 Diagnostic Trouble Code (DTC) explanation web sites!!! They also explain how to read the DTCs

Here are some very good sites that explain what DTC mean:

http://www.gearchatter.com/viewtopic11755.php

http://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_cod...d-ii-codes.php

Make sure to include the H or C suffix when you post your DTCs!!
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Old Jun 26, 2012 | 04:06 AM
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With HPT or EFI Live, DTC's can be turned off and not show up on the DIC or a scanner.

That was the case with my 2000.
I bought the car knowing nothing. My goal with the car was to modify it and learn how to tune. I bought HPT a month after I bought the car.
Nearly everything emissions related was shut off.

So, in this case, the CEL is on, so you will know what is wro ng. But maybe not everything?

Something to consider, when buying any used C5.

Ron
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Old Jun 26, 2012 | 08:59 AM
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If the previous owner used a diablo or other tuner on it, it might be a very good idea to obtain that same programmer with the car so you can alter it back to OEM just in case. Find out the particulars so you'll know where you stand but as mentioned...flashing the chip is BS. As stated, the codes will tell you what its complaining about but also stated, could be further issues not being reported if they were somehow turned off.
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Old Jun 26, 2012 | 01:28 PM
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Ok. This is a guy who works in the same building as me and I trust him. He said that a local corvette shop said the computer in the car was not happy when he used the 'upgrade' program on it and its fine to driive with the check engine light on. The seller has since sold the unit he used and does not have the ability to reset it. It would have to be done by a dealer or vette specialist. The car has no other mods and under 30k. Its an adult owned one owner car.
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Old Jun 26, 2012 | 02:40 PM
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so. just curious. whats the worse case scenario for a check engine light ?
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Old Jun 26, 2012 | 03:32 PM
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I would say go for it then. Likely some parameter out of spec. Run the DTC from the DIC. Changing the program back to stock is relatively easy for any shop with HPT or EFI live. Probably less than $100 from a friendly shop. Where are you located?

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Old Jun 26, 2012 | 03:36 PM
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I would say go for it then. Likely some parameter out of spec. Run the DTC from the DIC. Changing the program back to stock is relatively easy for any shop with HPT or EFI live. Probably less than $100 from a friendly shop. Where are you located?

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I'm in Oregon or I would do it for you.
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Old Jun 26, 2012 | 05:17 PM
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Ok. This is a guy who works in the same building as me and I trust him. He said that a local corvette shop said the computer in the car was not happy when he used the 'upgrade' program on it and its fine to driive with the check engine light on. The seller has since sold the unit he used and does not have the ability to reset it. It would have to be done by a dealer or vette specialist. The car has no other mods and under 30k. Its an adult owned one owner car.
What "upgrade program" did he use? I'm guessing it was either a Diablosport or Hypertech handheld tuner. Modifications to the tune of a non-modded car should never result in a CEL if done correctly. On cars with certain modifications there are some DTC's that are expected that will result in a constant CEL and thus need to be tuned out to avoid the annoyance. This is NOT true of a stock or very lightly modded C5...

Originally Posted by boltnut
so. just curious. whats the worse case scenario for a check engine light ?
There is absolutely no point in guessing as to what the "worst case scenario" is when you can easily pull the DTC's from the car's on-board computer in under a minute and know EXACTLY what the problem is. Just pull the codes and post them here so you can quit guessing.


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Are you aware you can pull the codes yourself from the DIC?
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Old Jun 26, 2012 | 06:02 PM
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i think he said hypertech. i dont remember hearing the name "diablo". if all goes as planned he will bring it to the office tomorrow and i can try to pull the codes myself in the parking lot. he swears it was taken to that corvette joint in West Chester PA and they said it was an annoyance only. he should have no issues with me seeing the codes before we talk price,,,,
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Originally Posted by boltnut
i think he said hypertech. i dont remember hearing the name "diablo". if all goes as planned he will bring it to the office tomorrow and i can try to pull the codes myself in the parking lot. he swears it was taken to that corvette joint in West Chester PA and they said it was an annoyance only. he should have no issues with me seeing the codes before we talk price,,,,
If you get it there and no codes appear he may have reset them immediately prior to you looking at it. Depending on what the problem is the code might not reappear right away. If there is no CEL showing anymore when you look at it and no codes are present in the DIC I would be very suspicious. Things don't mysteriously resolve themselves on the eve of a sale. Hopefully the guy is honest and that won't happen.

Post the codes on here once you get them.
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Old Jun 27, 2012 | 08:54 AM
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Well, lets see. Post #7 above posts a link on how to do that. And ohhh yea, post #8 above list the details in lin with the post..... Hmmmmm, no he wouldn't be aware of that!!!!
Yes, I knew that and was just asking the OP directly if he was aware of this, hopefully having read those posts completely.
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Old Jun 27, 2012 | 05:55 PM
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Crap. Strike one. Guy did not show to work today.....Hmmmmmmm....
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