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Old Jun 30, 2012 | 02:46 PM
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ANYONE KNOW ABOUT THE REMOTE SYSTEM IN THIS CAR? My remote was working fine untill i manualy locked the passenger side door and now my remote will not lock or unlock both doors when i press it i only hear the clicks and when i open the door by hand the horn alarm sounds..My question is how do i now get my remote back to working properly?
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Old Jun 30, 2012 | 02:55 PM
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Might try a quick resync by holding driver door open, and press and hold lock and unlock buttons down at the same time until you hear locks cycle.
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Old Jul 2, 2012 | 03:50 PM
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That did'nt work why on earth should a remote stop working properly because the passenger door is locked by hand...unreal.
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Old Jul 2, 2012 | 04:03 PM
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My alarm goes off sometimes I guess just to see if I'm paying attention. Another C5 marvel. I can't help if what you did didn't work.
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Old Jul 2, 2012 | 04:21 PM
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Do you have another remote to try? If not, I'd try a battery in the one you have. It obviously isn't turning off the alarm (or unlocking the doors). If you hear a click, it must be programmed to the car ok. Did you try putting the key in the ignition and holding down the lock and unlock buttons on the remote to see if you get a horn honk?

Are you getting tire pressure readings on the DIC?
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Old Jul 2, 2012 | 11:11 PM
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Do you have another remote to try? If not, I'd try a battery in the one you have. It obviously isn't turning off the alarm (or unlocking the doors). If you hear a click, it must be programmed to the car ok. Did you try putting the key in the ignition and holding down the lock and unlock buttons on the remote to see if you get a horn honk?

Are you getting tire pressure readings on the DIC?
No help there but thanks...
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Old Jul 2, 2012 | 11:28 PM
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Yes and yes to which? You have another remote? Does it work? I don't know which of the three questions you answered with two yes's. If the other remote works, you know you have a bad one. If neither works it could still be the remotes but less likely. Did the car horn honk when you held down the lock and unlock buttons on the remote? That will tell you if the car recognized and synched up with the remote.

If the tire pressure is reading, you don't have a problem with your RFA that receives the door lock/unlock signal. It would be very unlikely that both door control modules failed at the same time you locked the door. Try wiggling the accordian cover on the door jamb wiring on both sides and see if your locks work. You may have a bad connection or corroded ground.

Sorry that you thought it was no help, but without getting answers, it's hard to troubleshoot. Every problem is not the same and can't be fixed with a canned answer.
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Old Jul 3, 2012 | 01:14 AM
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You've tried the key back and forth in the lock (the one you locked when the problem started) and it opens and closes without too much resistance?

I can count the number of times Ive unlocked my car with the key on one hand, possible the mechanism there is stuck and not letting it work?
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Do you have any codes?

As 65ggvert says, is the TPS system working correctly? If so, its down to the fobs.door modules and not the RFA (receiver module).

I'd say your fobs are still synch'd and working from what you describe. It's almost as if both modules failed simultaneously yet it's strange that you are getting clicks at both modules. That suggests that the modules are operating but not unlocking the doors. That would be unusual.

Start with checking the codes as that stops us guessing.

I have a description of the system I'll dig out for you.

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The Remote Keyless Entry System
The remote keyless entry system shares components with the tire pressure monitoring system. Living in the UK there’s some confusion over which parts to use for which cars. I dug into the manuals to try to find the full story.
The main components are 2 key fob transmitters, 4 tire pressure sensors and a remote control door lock receiver (RCDLR) which acts as a common radio receiver for both elements.
Looking at the keyless entry system first, each key fob transmitter has a unique vehicle access code that changes every 5 seconds. As a security feature, the transmitter does not send the same signal twice to the RCDLR and the receiver will not respond to a signal that has been sent previously. This prevents anyone from recording and playing back the signal from the transmitter. Because of this feature, if a transmitter or receiver is replaced, each transmitter must be reprogrammed to the vehicle's receiver.
The Tire Pressure Monitor (TPM) system displays the tire pressures on the Driver Information Center (DIC). The system uses the Remote Control Door Lock Receiver (RCDLR), Body Control Module (BCM), Powertrain Control Module (PCM), 4 radio frequency transmitting pressure sensors inside each wheel/tire assembly, and a class 2 serial data circuit to perform the system functions. When the vehicle is stationary for more than 20 minutes the sensors go into power down mode. In this mode the sensors transmit tire pressure data once every 60 minutes, this minimizes sensor battery consumption. These batteries are not easily changed so have to be replaced once the batteries die. Typically, the DIC will read XXX to show a dead battery. As vehicle speed increases to 32 km/h (20 mph) the sensor's internal roll switches turn the sensors on and they will each begin to transmit a unique identification code and a radio frequency signal. The RCDLR receives and translates this data in to tire location and tire pressure. The RCDLR sends this data to the DIC via a class 2 serial data circuit where the tire pressures are displayed. For this reason the TPMs have to be programmed using a learning mode in the DIC to tell the car where they are mounted and to pass sensor data to the computers.
The US models have 2 different versions of TPMs with the older version being more expensive. There is a 3rd type for Euro models which, unfortunately, are also more expensive. Check with your vendor but the part numbers appear to be:
97-00 – 10438853
Apparently an after market Schrader TPS sensor part number 28006 will work with a 97-00 and is much cheaper
01-04 - 25773946
Euro – 10354987 (Tire pressure sensor export) There may be a new part number to replace this standard. I’ve seen a post in a German Forum which states that the following part numbers are compatible but I can’t verify this - 10330204, 10438854, 10422623, 10402717, 10354987, 10316125, 10277791.
Euro 00-01 C5 the sensor number is 20807214 (courtesy autocolour)
The key fobs are in 4 groups. It’s not clear why the 00 has a different part number but I believe it’s because the passive entry feature was deleted during the 00 model year:
97-99 - 10253839
00 - 10432147
01-04 - Number 1 Fob - 25695954
01-04 - Number 2 Fob – 25695955
Euro transmitters 97-04 (transmitter R/CON DR LK) - 10407640
The RDLCR part numbers for the US models are:
97-00 - Remote control door lock receiver - 10422621
01-04 - Remote Control Door Lock Receiver - 10312535
There is much confusion about frequencies. One Corvette Forum member (seoulbrooks) checked with Schrader who manufacture the OEM tire pressure sensor transmitters and elicited some good information. Both the US systems actually transmit at the same frequency of 315Mhz. Even though they operate on the same frequencies the receivers and transmitters have a year group specific code which must match for the transmitter and receiver to communicate. The older fobs and TPSs will not work with the newer RDLCR. The Euro transmitters work at a different frequency of 433 MHz for European emission compliance. I’ve been unable to verify that.
The part numbers for Euro versions:
97-00 - Remote control door lock receiver (Export) - 10426004
01-04 Remote Control Door Lock Receiver 10431034
It is possible to retrofit the later US standard into US 97-00 and Euro Vettes. The kit includes both fobs, a RCDLR, an RCDLR connector, 4 TPMs and mounting nuts. The kit is available from www.gmpartshouse.com for about $400 which is about the same price as 4 older sensors which are becoming harder to order.
You can program the TPMs using as strong magnet:
1. Turn the ignition to ON.
2. Press the RESET button in order to clear any IPC display warning messages.
3. Press and release the OPTIONS button on the DIC to scroll through the display options until the IPC display is blank.
4. Press and hold the RESET button for 3 seconds.
5. Press the OPTIONS button again until the TIRE TRAINING message appears.
6. Press the RESET button until the IPC LEARN L FRONT TIRE message appears in order to begin the programming sequence.
7. Place the magnet over the TPM sensor.
8. The horn will sound, indicating the left front TPM sensor is programmed. (if not use a bigger magnet)
9. When the horn sounds, proceed to program the next TPM sensor in the order directed
by the IPC messages:
- LEARN R FRONT TIRE
- LEARN R REAR TIRE
- LEARN L REAR TIRE

Programming Cancellation

The programming mode will be cancelled if any of the following conditions are met:
• The program mode is exited through the DIC.
• The ignition is turned to OFF.
• All four sensors have been programmed.
• The TPM system has been in the program mode for longer than 2 minutes and no sensors have been learned.
If the program mode is cancelled with less than four codes stored, the receiver will only accept the codes programmed up to that point.
Fob Training
1. Turn the ignition to ON.
2. Turn the radio to OFF.
3. Press the RESET button on the driver information center (DIC) in order to clear any IPC warning messages.
4. Press and release the OPTIONS button on the DIC to scroll through the display options until the IPC display is blank.
5. Press and hold the RESET button for 3 seconds.
6. Press the OPTIONS button until FOB TRAINING message is displayed.
7. Press the RESET button in order to begin the programming sequence. The message HOLD LK + UNLK 1ST FOB will be displayed.
8. Simultaneously press and hold the LOCK and UNLOCK buttons on the first transmitter for 15 seconds. The IPC will indicate when that transmitter is programmed and when to proceed to the next. Repeat this procedure for each additional transmitter or press the OPTIONS button to exit.
The receiver will cancel the programming sequence if any of the following conditions occur:
• The program mode is exited through the DIC.
• The ignition is turned to OFF.
• The three transmitters have been programmed.
• The RFA system has been in the program mode for longer than 2 minutes and no transmitters have been learned.
If the program mode is cancelled with less than 3 codes stored, the receiver will only accept the codes just stored. If the program mode is cancelled before any code is stored, the codes still remain valid.
The receiver retains all current access codes in memory if either of the following conditions occur:
• A programming sequence is interrupted.
• The battery is disconnected.
Synchronizing Transmitters
Perform the following procedure if a transmitter cannot communicate or becomes out of synchronization with the receiver:
1. Move a programmed transmitter within range.
2. Press the LOCK and UNLOCK buttons on the transmitter simultaneously for 7 seconds.
3. The horn will chirp once when the transmitter is synchronized. Repeat this procedure for each additional transmitter if needed.


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Old Jul 3, 2012 | 03:48 AM
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DeeGee that's an awesome add to the thread.

Does the Tech section have this in sticky form I hope?

great contribution
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