Has anyone ever used this piece of equipment (T1000) for tuning a C5?

 

The general consensus on the forums is that handheld tuners are junk since their capabilities are limited. The only way that you can really tune your car is with either EFILive or HPTuners. However, with those two programs, there comes the time to learn how the programs fully work, as well as the money you would be spending for said programs. In all honesty, with the money you would plan on spending a handheld tuner, you would be better off getting your car dyno tuned. Hope this helps

 

That may be your personal consensus, but considering how many customers we have running our tunes on Corvettes, well, I promise you HPtuners wishes they could be so lucky to have as many customers.

What you seem to be quite unaware of is the fact that there are more options that just HPt and EFI live. That's a VERY narrow minded view of the tuning world.

In addition to the other tuning suites that are available, we offer our CMR software to professional tuning shops, which can be used to create custom tunes that can be loaded into any of our handheld devices. This can be done in person, or via email, and any combo you can dream up can be tuned using CMR.

As such, our handhelds offer an incredible bargain in that you get a datalogger, code scanner, and tuning device all in one shot, with no need to drag a laptop around or figure out how to properly tune a car (which is getting tougher and tougher as these cars get more and more complicated). Add that to the custom tuning capabilities, and I dont see how you could possibly go wrong, since the tool will grow with you as you mod.

I hope you'll reconsider your views and refrain from making such misleading statements in the future

Thanks
Mike

 

I think that statement is pretty accurate.

I was just looking at this and the initial cost for a handheld is lower than a dyno-tune but hand help tune is not nearly as good. You can order tunes to upload and it may be convenient but now the cost is at least equal to the dyno-tune and still not as good.

I don't think the guy was knocking Diable Sport, he was pointing out the cost/benefit and it's accurate.

 

For a stock/mildly modified application, we have already done the dyno tuning for you, I am not familiar with too many shops that offer dyno tunes for less than $389.
If you are talking about just paying for the tune, what happens when you mod next time? There goes another $400-500 for another tune.

Starting with a handheld gets you the initial tune as part of the cost, and you have the ability to go back to stock (BIG deal for a lot of people) and read/clear codes and log your vehicle, without a laptop and an expensive tuning suite.

To each their own, but again, there is nothing junk about our products. We were the first to ever offer handheld/custom tuning options for any GM platform, in addition to being the first to ever offer tuning for the at the time new E40 PCM, its not like we are new to this game

On top of all that, there is the warranty concern when flashign with anything besides one of our devices, as ours are NOT detectable by the dealership. If you flash the car and the dealer sees it, bye-bye warranty...(not as much of an issue on C5s, didn't realize this was a C5 specific thread )

Thanks

 

looks like we are at a stand still. Possibly the best answer would come from people that have actually used them. Anybody?

 

I started this thread to find out if anyone had used a T-1000 to tune a C5. I bought one when I got my 2010 Camaro SS. I had added a CAI and shorties. I was getting 11.5 mpg mixed and was dissatisfied. So I bought the T-1000.

After I stored my factory tune and installed the preloaded T-1000 tune my mpg went to 16.4. These figures are from the factory DIC notifications.

All I wanted to know from this thread was if anyone had done mods and had been able to tune a C5 by updating the tuning info as their mods progressed, i.e. after installing, CAI, then LTs, then intake. I just don't know if it can be done incrementally or not.

I guess it was not as simple a question as I hoped it would be, and I still don't know if it can be done. I suspect that if I wanted to do so I would have to buy and upload software into the T-1000 specific to the C5 just to start. Thanx anyway.

As an afterthought, after I installed the CAI and shorties I was getting lean codes but after connecting the T-1000, then after installing the preloaded tune the car ran better and the codes were gone.

 

Generally you are correct. This is a good rule of thumb for those who are deciding between having their car dyno-tuned or using a pre-loaded tune via a hand-held programmer. There is no argument that a dyno or street tune is far more accurate and beneficial than any hand-held programmer.

The amount of cars running a tune performed with HPT is far greater than the amount of cars running a tune performed by ANY programmer.

There are more options, but those are the two most popular and flexible tuning programs. The others lack the support and ease-of-use that these guys have.

You get way more out of purchasing a full tuning kit like EFI Live or HPT. The wealth of knowledge you develop while learning the ins and outs is far more valuable than the few hundred dollars you save. Not to mention the ability to tune other people's cars and make $$.

It's not that programmers are necessarily bad. It's just that a personal, dyno-tune is much more valuable. We can debate specifics if you'd like.

I personally know of 2 shops within 100 miles that offer a full dyno/street tune for your stock to mildly modified cars at $300-$400. Not only does this include your MAF and fueling adjustments, but adjustments to your transmission, spark tables, power enrichment, 02 switching points, traction control, AIR injection settings, cat protection disabled, CAGS disabled, fan settings, and more... You can't tell me that one is better off buying your hand held programmer.

Fortunately the C5 has the ability to check and clear DTCs through the DIC. Most tuners save and back up factory tunes in the event the customer would like to go back to stock.

I highly doubt your programmer is not detectable. Every time the PCM is re-flashed there is an updated software number for the operating system, there is no way to make changes without re-flashing the software and avoiding a change in numbers. This is specifically how you designate if the vehicle has the correct tune or not. And even if you were able to retain this number, you may be causing future problems for the owner/future owners should they have any problems with their tune.

Besides, your entire warranty can not be voided because of a software change in your PCM. Only your claim for a specific problem can be denied if the tune may have contributed to the cause of the failure.

Don't get me wrong, some people don't understand what tuning is and are still stuck in the 90s. For them, a programmer may be a good option. But there is no denying that dyno and street tuning with full tuning software is the thing of the present and future. If it were me I would look into developing a software and hand held scanner where customers can connect to their vehicle, read and save their factory tune, data log, send the factory tune and data log file to your company via email, then have their new and adjusted tunes sent back to them so they can upload it into their car. If you already have this available then this is what should be pushed into the market, not a programmer.

 

We sell tons of them

http://www.customcorvetteaccessories...orttuners.html

Check out the new inTune as well

Peace
Chip

 

There is NO additional software required to tune your C5. As long as you returned the stock tune to the Camaro the tool became unlocked and ready for use in any other supported Ford/GM/Dodge gas or diesel application. Simply go to the options menu, select your vehicle type, and go to town on your C5. All the adjustments you had for your Camaro will be available for the C5, including shift point and firmness adjustments if it is an Auto.


If you have any other specific questions regarding the use of the Trinity on your C5 or any vehicle, please, let me know

Thanks

 

How sure are you of that? Want to take a guess as to how many E38 Predators we have out there, not counting the multi-ecu tools like Trinity and inTune?







Its been widely accepted that not everyone is a tuner, or has the time/ability/tools to accomplish their own tune and do it right, thus the reason there are professional tuners out there. The difference with our devices is the ability to return the vehicle back to stock at any time, not at the convenience of some shops hours or backyard tuners schedule, and to be able to make simple tune adjustments in your driveway.

We have customers who purchase our tuners simply for the ability to adjust their existing custom tunes timing for a shot of N20 or to be able to change tire size when they swap their track wheels, since it is inconvenient to them to carry a laptop everywhere they go or to have to visit a tuner to make the changes.

There are many benefits to our tuning products that are often overlooked.

Heck, the Trinity has built in gauge alarms, a built in user configurable LED shift light, 2 analog inputs for logging external sensors, and supports popular Ford, Chevy and Dodge Gas and Diesel applications. What tuning suite do you push that can do that? CMR can...



I promise you that if you flash a PCM with one of our products, then go check the CVNs, you will see nothing changed. We employ 2 former GM engineers who know their way around GM PCMs like very few other people anywhere.

I guess you didnt read the whole thread, just started picking at it...

We DO offer a full tuning suite. All of our tools offer standalone datalogging, or can be live streamed to a PC using our free Dataviewer software.
Any of our customers have the option to do exactly as you suggest here. Let the tool read the stock tune. Export it to a PC and email it to the tuner. Get the file back, load it to the tool, flash it to the car, go log it with the tool or to a PC. Email the log to the tuner, rinse and repeat.

If you step outside the GM tuning world for a moment, you'll see that the majority of the Ford and Dodge tuning markets work in this exact manner, and have for years. Heck, if you have a HEMI, you HAVE one of our tuners, or your PCM is stock, period. Before we entered the HEMI market, they could barely get away with a set of longtubes. Now we have Chargers that are daily drivable and run 8.90s at the track on the stock PCM, and Cherokees riding the back bumpers for 100 feet....

In the future, perhaps research what you plan to refer to as 'stuck in the 90's' before you make post that are obviously uninformed, as we are at the leading edge of the tuning industry, whether you were aware of it or not.

Thanks

 

Thats what I'm talking about!

Thanks

 

I've done them both ways and I will be sticking with my inTune thank you very much.

 

Thanx Mike. I did send an email to Diablo Sport asking that question but you have already answered it. If what you say is true, and I don't doubt you in the least, then I'll have both running up to snuff. Thanx, again.
Fred.

PS: I am very satisfied with the tune that was preloaded with my T-1000.

 

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Good to hear.

Let me know anytime you have a question

 

I know this thread is old but can you use the trinity on a 96 considering it has the OBD2 port? Thanks

 

This thread is four and a half years old - best to contact the vendors directly for an answer to your question. Besides this is the C5 section and your question was for a C4.

Thread closed.