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Old Dec 21, 2012 | 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Corvette_Ed
Road conditions cannot be "at fault" in an accident. A driver going too fast for those conditions would be the one to receive the blame.
I'm sorry, but while that is generally true in most respects, it egregiously false in some scenarios. Since we have no analysis of weather and road conditions before us, such statements simply cannot be made.
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Old Dec 21, 2012 | 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by robdob
IT's not possible for losing traction control to cause an accident. If you have active handling and it failed then that could possibly cause an accident but traction control not working would not cause an accident.
Really? If your hypothesis is true, that the loss of traction control cannot possibly cause an accident, then please explain why such systems are mandated on all vehicles. Why waste millions and millions in developmental costs and testing and drive up the cost of every vehicle manufactured if it makes no difference whether it works or not?
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Old Dec 21, 2012 | 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by B747VET
I'm sorry, but while that is generally true in most respects, it egregiously false in some scenarios. Since we have no analysis of weather and road conditions before us, such statements simply cannot be made.
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Old Dec 21, 2012 | 03:15 PM
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I have a 98 so this one caught me attention, after reading the sting of comments, I am ready for a nap. I think the OP may have an issue if he wants to take this to court.
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Old Dec 21, 2012 | 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by B747VET
Really? If your hypothesis is true, that the loss of traction control cannot possibly cause an accident, then please explain why such systems are mandated on all vehicles. Why waste millions and millions in developmental costs and testing and drive up the cost of every vehicle manufactured if it makes no difference whether it works or not?
My Neon, 3000GT, and Trailblazer don't have traction control. Their lack of traction control has never caused me to have an accident.
While traction control may help prevent an accident, the driver first has to do something to require the traction control to help prevent it.
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Old Dec 21, 2012 | 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by nutseynut7
Erudite, word maven, vocabulist, logophile
The man's erudite answer demonstrated his command of the subject.
An erudite response is preferrable to a verbose response.
Mere verbiage does not impress anyone who is looking for facts.
Being a word maven is more than just knowing words and their origins; a true maven can express her opinions in an erudite manner.
A vocabulist is a lexicographer, but can writing or reading a dictionary improve your vocabulary? Memory and assimilation are necessary to building a large vocabulary. Knowing the meaning and application of words is essential to erudite communication.
A logophile loves words.

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Old Dec 21, 2012 | 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by B747VET
Really? If your hypothesis is true, that the loss of traction control cannot possibly cause an accident, then please explain why such systems are mandated on all vehicles. Why waste millions and millions in developmental costs and testing and drive up the cost of every vehicle manufactured if it makes no difference whether it works or not?
It makes a difference in helping to prevent an accident if you lose traction, but not having traction control certainly cannot cause an accident. It is pretty recent that traction control is a requirement on new cars. In an older car that doesnt have it, if you lose traction and crash, you cant say that not having traction control caused the crash, losing control caused the crash.
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Originally Posted by nutseynut7
Erudite, word maven, vocabulist, logophile
The man's erudite answer demonstrated his command of the subject.
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A logophile loves words.
Some people just enjoy pontificating with polysyllabic profundity...

One of the smartest people I've ever met was the Editor of the Washington Post at the time. He gave me some very simple words of wisdom that I remember and use to this day.."Never use a big word when a small one will do."

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"Some people just enjoy pontificating with polysyllabic profundity."

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Old Dec 21, 2012 | 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by B747VET
Really? If your hypothesis is true, that the loss of traction control cannot possibly cause an accident, then please explain why such systems are mandated on all vehicles. Why waste millions and millions in developmental costs and testing and drive up the cost of every vehicle manufactured if it makes no difference whether it works or not?
You're going to use government mandates to justify something? LOL

The nanny state has been trying to protect idiots from themselves for a long time now. TPMS sensors are mandated now too. I guess people aren't able to use a tire pressure gauge then? No, they just WON'T. Same as with traction control - they drive too fast for conditions presented.

I have to ask - under what circumstance would the road's conditions be at fault? Please advise us of these egregious road conditions.
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Originally Posted by B747VET
I'm sorry, but while that is generally true in most respects, it egregiously false in some scenarios. Since we have no analysis of weather and road conditions before us, such statements simply cannot be made.
Unless a sink hole opens up that doesn't leave the driver any time to react, you're wrong. If road conditions play a part it just means the driver was going to fast for those conditions.
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