Welcome back to the C5 fold!

 

These are interesting things to hear about the C6Z. I expect it to be refined but I'm surprised to hear that it is less raw and gives the driver less of that race car feel. I drive a C5Z. I love it!! Now I feel more content with it than ever.

 

Not saying the C6Z is a bad car. And not saying the C5Z is better then the C6Z

Just my observations having owned both.

Before I picked up the C6Z I had a 2004 Coupe CE A4 that I bought new. I did heads, cam, kooks headers 3.42s and a polished Maggie 502 RWHP. I liked the C6Z better then the C5 Coupe and I like the C5Z better (for driving) then the C6Z

 

That is sweet!

 

Sure you can: black/mod red C5 ZO6.

 

Better than that. Blk/Blk C5 ZO6.

 

My thinking is, if you don't like the refined feel of the C6, then you won't like the even further refined feel of the C7. Refined tends to reflect quality, stiffness, civility (or perceived via electronic intervention), etc. The C4 guys say they love the C4 because it feels raw to the C5. I imagine if you drive a 1984 Z51 car it'll feel pretty damn raw...

 

i don't know... i test drove 3 C4s (2 early, 1 late) and then after testing a C5, i thought the C5 felt so much better in every way as far as a driver's car

...but then about 6 months after i bought my FRC, i swapped keys with a friend's cammed '70 454/4spd - holy crap, was that a fun car to drive! very 'raw' & felt more like a race car.

 

Close 2nd overall..tie when both are spotless.

 

not so much no

refined doesn't have jack to do with stiffness or quality. the raw feeling that some of us enjoy is a street car that's at least somewhat close to a track car. by the time you soften everything up, make it quiet and add a lot of gizmos it's not that car anymore

ferrari f40 is an example of a pure, raw car that is seen by many as the best supercar of all time.

it has no radio, no power anything and no carpet

 

???? Those are a lot of serious mods and $$$ for only 502 at the wheels!

 

with an auto & probably 6psi, that sounds about right.
liveaboard has a 112 on his LS1 with cam, heads, meth, exhaust, & 10psi for just over 550

my stock LS1 with a 2300@11psi & exhaust is about 540

 

6 psi. Thru an A4 is about 620 crank. Deduction of 20% for drive train.

Plus you guys are way to focused on peak #s. It's power across the run that wins NOT peak #s

1st and only time I've been at the track in 35 years did a mid 11 with Pirelli PZeros at Vegas on a high DA day.

Sea level and DRs easy 10.9xxx car with a Geezer driving.

 

i'm glad somebody else sees past a peak hp number

 

My thoughts exactly.

 

Don't take my comment as smack talk. I didn't factor in the A4. I've been reading a lot on certain mods I hope to do soon to my LS1/6 speed. Heads, Cam, Headers, LS6 intake, Vararam, Tune. From what others have reported with pretty much the same mod list, most have dyno'd around 410-420 at the tires. I guess I figured slapping FI onto that setup would yield more than another 100 or so hp.
And for the record, if I can get my car to that 415 mark at the tires..... I will be more than happy.

 

You've misinterpreted my words, but at no fault of your own....my wording was poor.

Stiffness- I refer to as chassis...not suspension. Chassis stiffness provides steering confidence, preciseness, less dynamic changes under load, etc.

Quality- I'd refer to as sound deadening, interior fitment (reduction of squeaks/rattles under load), etc. This creates more of a "disconnect" to the road for many because they feel more isolated.

Civility- Electronic intervention has a lot to do with making a serious car...feel civil. The ZR1 is a perfect example of that. Electronically, the car can literally make you faster...allow you to reach the limits of the car easier and with more confidence. No one will say the ZR1 is LESS of a car...but it has been proven by Milner himself...that the car will assist you in driving faster with electronics on vs off.


Point is...RAW...tends to be the result of hearing more road noise, feeling more transmission of vibration, picking up subtle changes in road surface, etc. Raw can be perceived as faster feeling, while it often isn't.

So, my original point is...the newer the Corvette is, and the further it's refined and improved upon...the less that "RAW" feeling will exist, unless it is injected intentionally. Intentionally as in Z06 (no sound deadening, thinner glass, stiffer bushings, etc), or Viper ACR (no radio, sound deadening, spherical bearing components, etc).

 

Nice.....my last vette was an 02 c5zo6, same color as the one in the pic. It was awesome.

 

OP - that's a darned nice C5Z you picked up.

Enjoy.

 

Mine was 407 rwhp NA before the Maggie install. This was thru an A4 so 415 with 6 speed is a no brainer.

Boost rule of thumb is approx 20 hp per # of boost. I ran 6 with a conservative tune here in Vegas.