[Z06] Tire Idea?
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Clearly we disagree, don't know what else to say. Maybe if they drop some of the weight of the SS's, they might have ability to compete more. Right now, you can shed pounds of mass with PS2's at every corner, this is better than typical weight reduction, because of combinatoric weight savings.
isn't the point of dropping tire weight performance?
really not trying to bust you down on this, just saying, if we list out pros and cons of each, the only place the ps2 wins is weight
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that's really the only argument i'm seeing that holds water. you're looking at 2lbs per tire which is 8lbs on the car, all for a tire that costs at least $100 per tire more than the pss, doesn't last as long and isn't as fast
isn't the point of dropping tire weight performance?
really not trying to bust you down on this, just saying, if we list out pros and cons of each, the only place the ps2 wins is weight
isn't the point of dropping tire weight performance?
really not trying to bust you down on this, just saying, if we list out pros and cons of each, the only place the ps2 wins is weight
I'm not saying the car will be slower with the SS's, clearly that's not the case, however, your car may be faster with the PS2's.
Even a reduction of five pounds per corner, unsprung rotating mass, will multiply to better performance than five pounds otherwise, sprung mass.
Thus, the performance of the car will be better. Rotating mass, not simply weight.
If you move to a heavier tire, that's ok, certainly not ridiculous, because the tire will still be far greater than average.
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Of course, that's the goal, better performance, with repeatability, INCLUDING weight savings.
I'm not saying the car will be slower with the SS's, clearly that's not the case, however, your car may be faster with the PS2's.
Even a reduction of five pounds per corner, unsprung rotating mass, will multiply to better performance than five pounds otherwise, sprung mass.
Thus, the performance of the car will be better. Rotating mass, not simply weight.
If you move to a heavier tire, that's ok, certainly not ridiculous, because the tire will still be far greater than average.
I'm not saying the car will be slower with the SS's, clearly that's not the case, however, your car may be faster with the PS2's.
Even a reduction of five pounds per corner, unsprung rotating mass, will multiply to better performance than five pounds otherwise, sprung mass.
Thus, the performance of the car will be better. Rotating mass, not simply weight.
If you move to a heavier tire, that's ok, certainly not ridiculous, because the tire will still be far greater than average.
whole question would be if the better compound of the pss could outperform the lighter ps2
wheel and tire combined you would probably be looking at 5lbs difference per
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If that is indeed the case, why would the results be any different if the two tires in the same size were equipped on a Corvette? I am pursuing a Z06 as we speak, and fully intend to replace the tires with Pilot Super Sports. I see no reason whatsoever to choose the PS2 over the Super Sport.
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When you're talking about tires, you have to take into account various variables that factor into the equation. One being whether your tire will match the sort of driving you implement. Another is how will the combination of variables equate to the average.
The answer is, selection that concludes with the results being on target with the car. Thus lighter more agile performance may be better than better than average performance because of utilization of greater factors.
I'm not saying the PSS's will be slower than the PS2's, probably no almost always, however they are heavier, this factor alone makes them worse for tons of implementations.
The answer is, selection that concludes with the results being on target with the car. Thus lighter more agile performance may be better than better than average performance because of utilization of greater factors.
I'm not saying the PSS's will be slower than the PS2's, probably no almost always, however they are heavier, this factor alone makes them worse for tons of implementations.
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If that is indeed the case, why would the results be any different if the two tires in the same size were equipped on a Corvette? I am pursuing a Z06 as we speak, and fully intend to replace the tires with Pilot Super Sports. I see no reason whatsoever to choose the PS2 over the Super Sport.
i still think the pss would win but you would be looking at 5lbs per corner weight saved on oem/ps2 vs something like a nurburgring/pss combo
wheel weight is the single most important place weight matters on a car
this is direct from michelin on the two tires
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it's the weight. ps2 can be used on oem wheels which are lighter than your average 18/19 AND the ps2 is 2lbs per tire lighter as well
i still think the pss would win but you would be looking at 5lbs per corner weight saved on oem/ps2 vs something like a nurburgring/pss combo
wheel weight is the single most important place weight matters on a car
this is direct from michelin on the two tires
i still think the pss would win but you would be looking at 5lbs per corner weight saved on oem/ps2 vs something like a nurburgring/pss combo
wheel weight is the single most important place weight matters on a car
this is direct from michelin on the two tires
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I dont know why youd even bother going back and forth with asihra. If you look at any of her threads, shes obviously a troll. Posts questions then answers them, and right or wrong, goes against anything anyone else says. Obviously here just to get people going. I doubt she even owns a vette.
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Of course the weight matters, and it matters a lot. However, if the weight is literally the only advantage whatsoever to a particular tire, then it is not worth the loss in every other performance metric. That is why people put larger brakes or tires on to begin with; because the benefits in performance outweigh the sacrifice of the higher weight. There is no place that the lower weight of the PS2 will allow it to outperform the better roadholding ability of the PSS, so I don't see the validity of this debate.
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Of course the weight matters, and it matters a lot. However, if the weight is literally the only advantage whatsoever to a particular tire, then it is not worth the loss in every other performance metric. That is why people put larger brakes or tires on to begin with; because the benefits in performance outweigh the sacrifice of the higher weight. There is no place that the lower weight of the PS2 will allow it to outperform the better roadholding ability of the PSS, so I don't see the validity of this debate.
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