[Z06] hydroplaning question-please help
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From: Lighthouse Point FL
Re: hydroplaning question-please help (Bertrand)
After doing some morning homework-it seems that Tire Kingdom is the authorized dealer for the Toyos down here. I've had some REALLY bad experiences with them so I will keep looking. Family Tire in Hollywood always had some awesome prices on their tires-am waiting for a price right now. Not too thrilled about the Pirellis. Tire Rack doesn't offer the Toyos.
Any So. Fla.'s get Toyos down here? Where?? Many Thanks. :D
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Any So. Fla.'s get Toyos down here? Where?? Many Thanks. :D
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Re: hydroplaning question-please help (hiyield)
Some already replied. Tire Kingdom does sell them and the crew at any particular shop is either great, good, bad or "shoot em". I'm lucky, mine is "great plus". I went on the Toyo.com website and looked under Find a Dealer. There happens to be a pix of the Prexis Tire on the home page.
Notice the severe grooves, just like farm tractor tires. but they are quite.
As far as dry traction, for daily driving and occasional fun, they work fine. For reference I went through a set of rears in 8K miles. I 'm driving the same way now and no less traction has been detected.
For any drag application, the pix says most of it. They don't have the surface area and Toyo uses a harder compound, so they won't stack up to the SC's on the strip. Again I am not putting down the SC's but the Toyo's work for me. That's my 2c.
Notice the severe grooves, just like farm tractor tires. but they are quite.
As far as dry traction, for daily driving and occasional fun, they work fine. For reference I went through a set of rears in 8K miles. I 'm driving the same way now and no less traction has been detected.
For any drag application, the pix says most of it. They don't have the surface area and Toyo uses a harder compound, so they won't stack up to the SC's on the strip. Again I am not putting down the SC's but the Toyo's work for me. That's my 2c.
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Re: hydroplaning question-please help (hiyield)
Remember the ZO6 is race ready off the show room floor. I you wanted a vett for a daily driver then maybe you should have considerd a coupe or convert with emts. Most races take place on dry pavement.
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Re: hydroplaning question-please help (VetNutJim)
VetNutJim - I was taught the same formula. Don't know how hi-powered the training was, but we did use live ammo.
This was the minimum speed that hydroplaning might (not will) occur - it would be easier to do at higher speeds. I think the results are in knots, not mph.
Never had much faith in the formula because touchdown speed was always above min hydroplaning speed and it hardly ever went skating.
This was the minimum speed that hydroplaning might (not will) occur - it would be easier to do at higher speeds. I think the results are in knots, not mph.
Never had much faith in the formula because touchdown speed was always above min hydroplaning speed and it hardly ever went skating.
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Re: hydroplaning question-please help (Gash Hunter)
Remember the ZO6 is race ready off the show room floor. I you wanted a vett for a daily driver then maybe you should have considerd a coupe or convert with emts. Most races take place on dry pavement.
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Re: hydroplaning question-please help (hiyield)
The Goodyear SC is a dry traction tire, as many have already stated. Why do dealers act like they know so much, when really they normally know nothing? Unless the sales man himself is a vette guy, owns one loves them knows them, I wouldn't take his word for nothing. Also the width doesn't help, but truly if you want more confidence in the rain change the tires. The Michelin Pilots on my Audi are great in the rain, but they are only 225/40-17. That is alot less tire to have to cut through the water.
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Re: hydroplaning question-please help (SilverZ06Chris)
i drive mine in the rain when it rains. just leave the active handleing on and everything is cool.
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Re: hydroplaning question-please help (NewVetteLover)
Beware of traction controll on wet pavment. I started to hydroplane at about 35 or 40 mph in a microburst with 40 knot gust. When I steped on the power pedal to straighten out nothing happend and I was just along for the ride. Ended up facing traffic, lucky me it was 03:30 and no one else was on the road. :eek:
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Re: hydroplaning question-please help (Gash Hunter)
Gash Hunter - I had the same experience in my spin out. Active Handling totally failed when the car kicked sideways in the rain. Just some friendly advice to all.
I love my car and would not trade it for any reason. I am lucky to be able to drive it all the time here in Florida.
I love my car and would not trade it for any reason. I am lucky to be able to drive it all the time here in Florida.
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Re: hydroplaning question-please help (z06dailydriver)
Had the exact same thing happen to me at the same speed. That is what is prompting this post. Getting to speak to someone at Chevy who might actually give me a constructive answer is an impossibility. Obviously admitting that this car really isn't a daily driver would be bad PR. Since I had the '99 FRC prior to the Z06, didn't think that this would be too much of an issue. Looking at the Michelin Pilots and Toyo Proxes now. Nice that this is race car ready-but have to get to the race first, huh? Don't rely on AH in the rain -it won't save your butt. Could be getting a pretty decent deal on the Toyo's if anyone is interested.
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Re: hydroplaning question-please help (olephart)
Hey Olephart,
You're absolutely right, old buddy!!
That was MY question... I asked "Ok now what should I do when landing on a wet runway when 1.3 VSO is 129 kts and my touchdown speed is 105?
Most stuff that lands around those speeds have high pressure tires, however.
110psi Tire = 10.5 x 9= 94.5
So there's not a whole lot of time spent at hydroplane speeds after touchdown.
I got the same answer everytime: "Ya'll be careful out there now."
It's another one of those things that will ALWAYS point the finger at the pilot in case of any mishap.
Same as driving isn't it? It's ALWAYS the drivers fault.
About the only thing I've flown that COULD be landed below hydroplane speed is my little Cherokee 140. :) :)
BTW: I train at Flight Safety on Lear 25, Beech 200 and 400 series Cessnas.
I should say "trained". I fly a computer all day long, now.
Seems to be more "stability" (no pun intended) in software engineering than flying airplanes.
Besides, at 52, I don't think hanging around airports all day long is still fun.
It was a LOT of fun from 28 to 42.
Oh well, another chapter in the great journey.
I'm STILL figuring my Z06 hydroplane speed around 54mph.
It works for me.
Best regards,
You're absolutely right, old buddy!!
That was MY question... I asked "Ok now what should I do when landing on a wet runway when 1.3 VSO is 129 kts and my touchdown speed is 105?
Most stuff that lands around those speeds have high pressure tires, however.
110psi Tire = 10.5 x 9= 94.5
So there's not a whole lot of time spent at hydroplane speeds after touchdown.
I got the same answer everytime: "Ya'll be careful out there now."
It's another one of those things that will ALWAYS point the finger at the pilot in case of any mishap.
Same as driving isn't it? It's ALWAYS the drivers fault.
About the only thing I've flown that COULD be landed below hydroplane speed is my little Cherokee 140. :) :)
BTW: I train at Flight Safety on Lear 25, Beech 200 and 400 series Cessnas.
I should say "trained". I fly a computer all day long, now.
Seems to be more "stability" (no pun intended) in software engineering than flying airplanes.
Besides, at 52, I don't think hanging around airports all day long is still fun.
It was a LOT of fun from 28 to 42.
Oh well, another chapter in the great journey.
I'm STILL figuring my Z06 hydroplane speed around 54mph.
It works for me.
Best regards,
