[Z06] Z06 with automatic????
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From: Halfway Mo.
Z06 with automatic????
A Z06 would be hell on wheels with a good automatic, it would probably beat a Viper because most people can't drive a 6 speed for max exceleration. Wheelspin is better controlled with an automatic.
Just an opservation from an old drag racer.
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Just an opservation from an old drag racer.
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Re: Z06 with automatic???? (BobA)
A Z06 would be hell on wheels with a good automatic, it would probably beat a Viper because most people can't drive a 6 speed for max exceleration. Wheelspin is better controlled with an automatic.
Just an opservation from an old drag racer.
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Just an opservation from an old drag racer.
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Re: Z06 with automatic???? (Ryan Bell)
A Z06 would be hell on wheels with a good automatic, it would probably beat a Viper because most people can't drive a 6 speed for max exceleration. Wheelspin is better controlled with an automatic.
Just an opservation from an old drag racer.
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The Z06 is not meant for drag racing. It would totally ruin the experience on the car to give it an automatic in my opinion.
Just an opservation from an old drag racer.
BobA
The Z06 is not meant for drag racing. It would totally ruin the experience on the car to give it an automatic in my opinion.
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Re: Z06 with automatic???? (NewVetteLover)
I get a kick outta some people (not those above but I have heard this arguement from others) that an automatic would "Just ruin the Z06." Those same people scream when they can't get a Z06 'Vert or Coupe...hmmmmm...can you say double standard??? :seeya :chevy
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Re: Z06 with automatic???? (wave_3)
Stupid dealer here insisted that I could order a Z06 with an automatic... :rolleyes: :mad I should of ordered it just to see what would have happened. :lol: Another dealer told me that Z03's are hard to get...especially yellow ones. :rolleyes: I bet....... :cuss
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Re: Z06 with automatic???? (BobA)
I agree that automatics are typically easier to launch with cars that have over 400 HP and 400 lbs/feet of torque, but I have no problem getting just the right launch with the stick. I find the wheelspin easy to modulate because you don't have to rev it to 4000 rpm to break the rear wheels loose, it's not an all or nothing proposition with these cars.
There is one problem with all Automatics (not clutchless manuals): they won't hold a higher gear if you go to WOT. They all downshift like mad when you do that and it would really hinder the performance of this car. The Z06 has so much torque that you can come out of a turn by going to WOT in 3rd at 3000 rpm and still get great acceleration. If you did that with an auto, it would downshift to 2nd, jump to 4500-5000 rpm and send you into the ditch (or at least jerk the car really bad out of line).
I have a couple of other cars with very nice electronic five speed autos with steering wheel controls for up/downshifting and that is my only beef with them or any auto for that matter. Why can't I get on the highway in top gear and just go WOT in THAT gear without grabbing a lower gear and causing a huge scene/passenger discomfort. Maybe the Vette automatics are better with this...
Anyway, just my two cents. :cheers:
There is one problem with all Automatics (not clutchless manuals): they won't hold a higher gear if you go to WOT. They all downshift like mad when you do that and it would really hinder the performance of this car. The Z06 has so much torque that you can come out of a turn by going to WOT in 3rd at 3000 rpm and still get great acceleration. If you did that with an auto, it would downshift to 2nd, jump to 4500-5000 rpm and send you into the ditch (or at least jerk the car really bad out of line).
I have a couple of other cars with very nice electronic five speed autos with steering wheel controls for up/downshifting and that is my only beef with them or any auto for that matter. Why can't I get on the highway in top gear and just go WOT in THAT gear without grabbing a lower gear and causing a huge scene/passenger discomfort. Maybe the Vette automatics are better with this...
Anyway, just my two cents. :cheers:
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Re: Z06 with automatic???? (BobA)
With an automatic, you're going to be a good few tenths slower in the 1/4 than with a 6-speed.
Mid 12's are what the guys who can't drive usually run in their Vipers... I don't honestly think an automatic Z06 is going to be able to consistently hit mid 12's because it will be slower than a 6-speed.
"Better in SPORTS CAR MODE" - you mean faster???? :confused:
Mid 12's are what the guys who can't drive usually run in their Vipers... I don't honestly think an automatic Z06 is going to be able to consistently hit mid 12's because it will be slower than a 6-speed.
"Better in SPORTS CAR MODE" - you mean faster???? :confused:
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Re: Z06 with automatic???? (Bertrand)
I agree that automatics are typically easier to launch with cars that have over 400 HP and 400 lbs/feet of torque, but I have no problem getting just the right launch with the stick. I find the wheelspin easy to modulate because you don't have to rev it to 4000 rpm to break the rear wheels loose, it's not an all or nothing proposition with these cars.
You may be one of a very few who can launch with a 6 spd but most people are not as good as you are. Over the last 24 years that i have been drag racing we went from 3 spd to 4 spd to 5 spd auto and linco. Linco is best but not very nice on street, but a setup auto can be drive on and off the track with no clutch wear,( I think a clutch is warrented 12 months).
Unless you are really running hard on street and sports car track an auto would be easyer for an average a you would be always ready for another fast car
There is one problem with all Automatics (not clutchless manuals): they won't hold a higher gear if you go to WOT. They all downshift like mad when you do that and it would really hinder the performance of this car. The Z06 has so much torque that you can come out of a turn by going to WOT in 3rd at 3000 rpm and still get great acceleration. If you did that with an auto, it would downshift to 2nd, jump to 4500-5000 rpm and send you into the ditch (or at least jerk the car really bad out of line).
I have a couple of other cars with very nice electronic five speed autos with steering wheel controls for up/downshifting and that is my only beef with them or any auto for that matter. Why can't I get on the highway in top gear and just go WOT in THAT gear without grabbing a lower gear and causing a huge scene/passenger discomfort. Maybe the Vette automatics are better with this...
Anyway, just my two cents. :cheers:
You may be one of a very few who can launch with a 6 spd but most people are not as good as you are. Over the last 24 years that i have been drag racing we went from 3 spd to 4 spd to 5 spd auto and linco. Linco is best but not very nice on street, but a setup auto can be drive on and off the track with no clutch wear,( I think a clutch is warrented 12 months).
Unless you are really running hard on street and sports car track an auto would be easyer for an average a you would be always ready for another fast car
There is one problem with all Automatics (not clutchless manuals): they won't hold a higher gear if you go to WOT. They all downshift like mad when you do that and it would really hinder the performance of this car. The Z06 has so much torque that you can come out of a turn by going to WOT in 3rd at 3000 rpm and still get great acceleration. If you did that with an auto, it would downshift to 2nd, jump to 4500-5000 rpm and send you into the ditch (or at least jerk the car really bad out of line).
I have a couple of other cars with very nice electronic five speed autos with steering wheel controls for up/downshifting and that is my only beef with them or any auto for that matter. Why can't I get on the highway in top gear and just go WOT in THAT gear without grabbing a lower gear and causing a huge scene/passenger discomfort. Maybe the Vette automatics are better with this...
Anyway, just my two cents. :cheers:
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Re: Z06 with automatic???? (MrViperGTS)
With an automatic, you're going to be a good few tenths slower in the 1/4 than with a 6-speed.
Mid 12's are what the guys who can't drive usually run in their Vipers... I don't honestly think an automatic Z06 is going to be able to consistently hit mid 12's because it will be slower than a 6-speed.
"Better in SPORTS CAR MODE" - you mean faster???? :confused:
Mid 12's are what the guys who can't drive usually run in their Vipers... I don't honestly think an automatic Z06 is going to be able to consistently hit mid 12's because it will be slower than a 6-speed.
"Better in SPORTS CAR MODE" - you mean faster???? :confused:
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Re: Z06 with automatic???? (BobA)
We don't wamt no stinking autos in the Z06, leave it in the slow AZZ coupes and convertibles. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Z06 with automatic???? (BobA)
Vipers spin due to the torque and letting the clutch out too quick. In a stock C4, you can mash the gas with an auto and get no wheelspin. In a Z06, an automatic would likely get you a bunch of wheelspin because of the power alone.
Automatics dont give you more traction, they just allow you to be repeatable. Anyone who wishes they had an automatic for the best drag times is a horrible driver. Better times will ALWAYS come with a 6-speed, but you need to know how to drive to get the good times.
Automatics are great for consistency, but not for the best numbers.
Automatics dont give you more traction, they just allow you to be repeatable. Anyone who wishes they had an automatic for the best drag times is a horrible driver. Better times will ALWAYS come with a 6-speed, but you need to know how to drive to get the good times.
Automatics are great for consistency, but not for the best numbers.
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Re: Z06 with automatic???? (MrViperGTS)
Vipers spin due to the torque and letting the clutch out too quick. In a stock C4, you can mash the gas with an auto and get no wheelspin. In a Z06, an automatic would likely get you a bunch of wheelspin because of the power alone.
Automatics dont give you more traction, they just allow you to be repeatable. Anyone who wishes they had an automatic for the best drag times is a horrible driver. Better times will ALWAYS come with a 6-speed, but you need to know how to drive to get the good times.
Automatics are great for consistency, but not for the best numbers.
Automatics dont give you more traction, they just allow you to be repeatable. Anyone who wishes they had an automatic for the best drag times is a horrible driver. Better times will ALWAYS come with a 6-speed, but you need to know how to drive to get the good times.
Automatics are great for consistency, but not for the best numbers.
I presume you are only talking about cars that are stock, right?
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Re: Z06 with automatic???? (MrViperGTS)
I would agree with you in principle. But as the horsepower starts to go way north of 400-500, being consistent and fast enough on the shifts needed to 1/4 in a 6 speed becomes much more of a challenge. I can handle my stock Z06 just fine but I already have to make 3 manual shifts + the first gear launch in around 12 seconds. And not blow any of these events. As the horsepower goes up and you run a 600 hp car or more, it would be more and more difficult to stay on top of the shifting. The ultimate extreme is the top fuel dragsters and funny cars that don't do any shifting and use preprogrammed clutch engagement to increase power to the wheels throughout the run. Of course this is an extreme...
I can see how even running an LPE Twin Turbo or Toyota Supra with a large turbo (some run 550 rwhp on 93 octane and up to 900 rwhp on race fuel) could make it a real handful to shift. You start to get real busy when you have to shift 4 times in 10 seconds and reach over 130 mph in the run...
Another scenario when I feel autos are better is for running on the juice where you can stay at WOT through the whole run so the car won't stop spraying at any point.
Day to day performance driving though, I much prefer the manual and wouldn't have it any other way in my Z06.
:cheers:
I can see how even running an LPE Twin Turbo or Toyota Supra with a large turbo (some run 550 rwhp on 93 octane and up to 900 rwhp on race fuel) could make it a real handful to shift. You start to get real busy when you have to shift 4 times in 10 seconds and reach over 130 mph in the run...
Another scenario when I feel autos are better is for running on the juice where you can stay at WOT through the whole run so the car won't stop spraying at any point.
Day to day performance driving though, I much prefer the manual and wouldn't have it any other way in my Z06.
:cheers:
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Re: Z06 with automatic???? (Bertrand)
Drag racing is fun, but why buy an independent rear suspension car built with 50/50 weight distribution, running wheels and tires on all four corners built for cornering, with big sway bars, stiff shocks with virtually no weight transfer, big brakes for stopping repeatedly, and then talk about an automatic for drag racing. Something just doesn't add up. Save your money, buy a straight axle something with an auto an enjoy. At the Birthday Bash in BG this year, Danny Popp won the tuner shootout, which was a combined drag event and autox, with a Z06 set up for the autox event which he won. After finishing second in the drag event on his way to the overall win, he said that anyone can drive in a straight line. The Z06 is built for those that like to turn. :D :chevy
