Wife called from the parts store, and the guy was trying to sell her a Halltech(?) intake.

He swore they just dyno'd one to 20hp increase over stock.

I find this hard to believe.

Anyone else dyno one?

 

McRat,

I can tell you from personal experience that the car will pickup anywhere from 10-20 RWHP with one of Jim Hall's intake system.

As of late there has been a lot of bickering and arguing over his product(s), his business, and his character. All I can contribute that is factual is the following:

He's ALWAYS been responsive, he sends the parts RIGHT AWAY, and he's never misled me. I will do business with him again in a heartbeat! :)

A little story about the intake and bigger plenum he sales...
I've had the T1 package on my car since the first week I bought it. I pull STOCK vipers and other STOCK Z06's with ease.

My Dad picked up a Z06 about two months ago. Well, last month, after it was broken in, he wanted to race me. I agreed. We went out and went from 5 -100 three times. Each time I had 2-3 cars on him. He was pissed.

I explained to him that all he needed was the intake and his car would run RIGHT NEXT to mine (and may be a little quicker because I'm carrying 100 Lbs of stereo crap...). He didn't believe me.

Finally he agreed, I called Jim, got him the intake, and we raced last night...

Sure enough - He put about a half car length on me by 100. We raced in the SAME spot, from the SAME speed last night as we did the first time we ran. That's hardly empirical data by scientific standards - but if you were there it's OBVIOUS that his car woke-up! Big time!

One more validation:
I recently blew my transmission out of my car so I pulled the intake off of my car before I took it in (I have the nitrous plumbed through Jim's T1 intake that I have on my car).

When I picked the car up I IMMEDIATELY noticed that the car was WAY down on power. I drove it for a couple of days like that just to see if I would readjust... Nope. I bolted the intake back on and within 25 miles the power was back.

Definitely a good investment if you want EVERY last HP from that stock engine!
:seeya

 

There have been countless proven dynos on the Halltech getting between 15 and 20 RWHP, as has their been Dynos on the Vortex, Blackwing and the Vararam getting good numbers. (there also has been dynos of guys getting less) Bottom line: Changing your intake works, there is no doubting that! :cheers:

 

Thanks guys!

Hmmm... I'll probably get one. First I have to figure out if it will stop me from running in Super Stock class in AutoX.

 

I say get the blackwing. I picked up 13 hp on the dyno without a relearn, and you can get a blackwing for 200 bucks shipped! This is of course just my opinion. Good luck!

 

Search for results and you'll see that the best deal going is the Vararam.

 

It might have the most HP, which is still not proven yet, but it certainly is not the best deal going, far from it :rolleyes: Like what was just posted, the Blackwing can be bought for $200. For most guys, paying $400 more for minimal or no SOTP feeling is a waste of money. :cheers:

 

If you have an '02 Z06 with the larger air inlet it's probably not going to make much, if any, difference.

To put this issue to bed, someone should do a couple of dyno pulls with the OEM air box, then remove the cover and filter element and make another couple of pulls to see what the airbox and filter actually cost in terms power. This will put an upper limit on what ANY airbox/filter can do by seeing what happens with NO airbox and filter.

If you do buy it, I recommend you demand a written money back guarantee on that 20 HP, and tell them you're going to return with dyno sheets.

Duke

 

SWCDuke,

Some has put this to rest - Jim Hall. Money back guarantee.

Maybe you didn't read my first reply to his post? My Dad and I BOTH have '02 Z's..... BIG difference over stock. :seeya

 

I picked up 16.8 rwhp with the plastic Sidewinder, that was a 2.4 hp increase over the carbon fiber Sidewinder, I just installed the Vararam and will be back on the dyno next week, it feels stronger with every mile. :)

 

It has already been proven, countless times!

:rolleyes: Get real! So if you only get 18 HP, you would want your money back? :rolleyes: :rolleyes:


[Modified by racer44, 9:41 PM 7/12/2002]

 

Well, what about "Afy's" big flap a week or two ago. He said back to back dyno tests showed no power increase. There's no consistency to the data or the claims. Some guys say the dyno says more power, some say no. I have no reason to believe one claim more than another, but based on general design principals for air cleaners, I find it hard to believe that air cleaner "A" or "B" makes three to seven percent more power than the OEM air cleaner, and that's all these "air boxes" are - they're just air cleaners that reside in front of the radiator to pick up cool air rather than sitting on top of the carburetor like on my SWC.

Duke

 

Well, I guess all of us guys who have actually had nice (increased HP) dynos done with only the intakes as our mods are liars. Have a good night. :seeya
Oh, by the way, Afy's big flap was suspect at best.


[Modified by racer44, 11:12 PM 7/12/2002]

 

Title of this really says it all...beating a dead horse. Even Hall won't claim more than 5-10 HP gain after losing the battle in the big "smackdown" contest he ran.

 

Well, Mr. Vararam. you are full of :bs :bs :bs :bs Enough said, we know why you are posting your :bs here. :rolleyes:

*EDIT* By the way, look what I just found on Halltechs web site Halltech T-1 Carbon Fiber SideWinder 01-2003


Halltech T-1 Carbon Fiber SideWinder 01-2003; Pure Carbon Fiber made in the autoclave the way God intended Carbon Fiber to be made. Add around 16 RWHP 20 ft. lbs. torque with the original.

I though you said he would not even claim more than 5-10 HP
:confused: :rolleyes:

I will repeat what we have been saying, only slow for you to understand. There are countless Dynos out here in the real world that have proven that these intakes can produce up to 20 HP on our cars. Your postings, even after the facts only mean you are a :troll


[Modified by racer44, 8:39 AM 7/13/2002]

 

I've got a CF T1 and really like it. The seat of SOTP feel is great once the re-learn is done. I don't know anything about the Vararam, so I won't say anything bad about it. I agree with the other guys, if it only dynos 18 hp instead of 20, so be it. I will say this about Vararam, it doesn't look as good as the Halltech does.Besides, I'd buy from Jim Hall, just because he seems to be a stand-up guy who will take the time to explain how is product works, and doesn't feel like you're wasting his time. This isn't saying anything about the Vararam people, because I've never spoke to them (and there's a good chance that I never will, because I like my T1).

 

Man, i need a wife like that!:yesnod: Why was she at the parts store?? Either way, your a lucky man.:D

 

Because I like to go fast also:yesnod:

 

:nono:

No personal attacks! We're also still under the one-week moratorium on discussing or making reference to deals between Afy and Jim Hall.

:reddevil

 

McRat get the best FILTER!! Blackwing w/after market Airbridge and silicone coupler, you will feel the difference, and it is the best FILTER!! That is made. :D