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hey guys, looking for new rotors / pads more or less rotors though (have 2 pads in mind already) can people give me some ideas on brands for what im looking for.... possibly pics too.
so im looking for rotors for my z06 its 50/50 HPDE and general cruising around. looking at either drilled, slotted, drilled and slotted, and every other combo . Also theres no limit on the budget... if im going to spend the money to go fast im getting the best i can to stop!
If there is no budget get a big break kit. brembo, willwood etc. or even the C6Z brakes. If you want just rotors and pads, look into the DBA's rotors and Hawk pads. I wouldn't do drilled personally but that's just me, less stopping surface and prone to cracking. Im looking to do the DBA 4000 T3 rotors and Hawk ceramics.
So would you guys say for what I want for the car / do with it, the DBA rotors would be my best choice ?
and zdeckich the hawk ceramics were the main one out of the two im debating for pads. what do you think the wear would be on them from doing between 5-8 HPDE a summer, and general cruising around?
If you do a lot of hpde on the stock calipers. Just buy cheap rotors. Lots of people buy napa, i buy advanced auto. The super cheap ones on amazon are sort of scary so I avoid them now. Unless you got a bunch of money to burn i would stay away from drilled for trackdays. I have run slotted and not on my vette and other cars. IMO as long as you have the right pads on the car for what you are doing with it slots don't make any appreciable difference for someone who runs 6-7 trackdays a year. They do make a nice place for a rotor to crack from though.
My dba's warped, first rotor i ever warped. Granted they did NOT crack but I don't like shaky brakes. People in general have good luck with them but I didn't. Rather pay half as much and replace them twice as often. Advanced auto rotors just started to get standard middle of the surface small cracks with 2-3 feelable cracks for me after 15 sessions at Road America with xp10/xp8 pad setup. I would safely say they could have lasted another 5 sessions for sure, probably 10. I only swapped them cause it was the end of the season. That is the longest (3day) track weekend i run so as long as it lasts for that I am fine with it.
So would you guys say for what I want for the car / do with it, the DBA rotors would be my best choice ?
and zdeckich the hawk ceramics were the main one out of the two im debating for pads. what do you think the wear would be on them from doing between 5-8 HPDE a summer, and general cruising around?
thanks guys, very informative!
You can not use Hawk ceramic pads for HPDE you will kill yourself. Get a pad that is a track pad. You could run Carbotech 1521 for street and use the XP10 and XP8 for track. All Carbotech compounds are compatible with each other so, you can use the same rotor for street and track just swap pads and go. As far as rotors all you need is a set of Centric premium rotors plain face. If interested in any of the Carbotech products let me know I will be happy to help you. Do not use any Ceramic Pad on a race track....
I want a combo that will be good for best of both worlds, but honestly I cant see myself jaggin around swapping pads and or rotors just for the street, that means changing them when i get to / leave track. my dad uses hawks, (cant remember which model i think HPS or HP+) in his saleen, and he always complains their to F******g dusty >:/ ! and i know full well about that using the stock z06 setup last season, how dusty those pads are.
Last edited by JakesBlackZ06; Feb 2, 2015 at 03:10 PM.
I want a combo that will be good for best of both worlds, but honestly I cant see myself jaggin around swapping pads and or rotors just for the street, that means changing them when i get to / leave track. my dad uses hawks, (cant remember which model i think HPS or HP+) in his saleen, and he always complains their to F******g dusty >:/ ! and i know full well about that using the stock z06 setup last season, how dusty those pads are.
I am not sure about those, but I have been running the Hawk HPS on my Z06 since 2007. I have not had any performance issues or excessive dust with them. They have been a great pad.
the hawk 5.0 pads have a friction mu greater than the hps but below the hp+
rotor wise, anything high carbon, drilling and slotting isn't needed with a street pad since there is no gassing. with a race pad operated at very high temps slots can be useful to prevent glazing
stoptech high carbon rotors are one of your best bangs for the buck, but, really, any high carbon rotor will work for street/track
It depends on the track and on your driving style and level of aggression.
I use Stoptech "Street performance" pads (good for 1300 degrees F.) for street and low brake usage tracks like MSR Cresson and TWS. I use real race pads for hard brake usage tracks like Eagles Canyon and Road America.
I want a combo that will be good for best of both worlds, but honestly I cant see myself jaggin around swapping pads and or rotors just for the street, that means changing them when i get to / leave track. my dad uses hawks, (cant remember which model i think HPS or HP+) in his saleen, and he always complains their to F******g dusty >:/ ! and i know full well about that using the stock z06 setup last season, how dusty those pads are.
Bottom line... Your not going to find a low dust track pad. Now you can use a track pad on the street like the XP8 and go to the track with out changing pads but, your going to have NOISE. If that doesn't bother you than take a look. The dust will be a 100% non corrosive so, it will not hurt your wheels or paint on the car.
Carbotech™ XP8™
A high torque brake compound with a wide operating temperature range of 200°F-1250°F+ (93°C to 676°C+). Carbotech™ XP8™ is the first of our racing compounds. Good initial bite at race temperatures, high coefficient of friction, excellent modulation and release characteristics. Extremely high fade resistance and very rotor friendly. Perfect for track day use with any tire and can still be driven safely to and from the track. Carbotech™ does NOT recommended XP8™ as a daily driven street pad due to elevated levels of dust and noise. Carbotech™ XP8™ is a great compound on the front & rear of most open wheel and sports racers.
The stoptech street performance pads also look great and are super cheap. I got a set of them sitting on the shelf to try out when my stock z06 pads need replacing.
I have a brand new pair of front rotors I will sell you if you are interested. I bought them for road racing but never got around to open tracking the car but once. They are just blanks, not slotted or drilled. As for pads I recommend the Hawk HPS. I have used them on street and track in the past. Not too much dust and no squealing. They stop good on the street and a bit better on the track.
Bottom line... Your not going to find a low dust track pad. Now you can use a track pad on the street like the XP8 and go to the track with out changing pads but, your going to have NOISE. If that doesn't bother you than take a look. The dust will be a 100% non corrosive so, it will not hurt your wheels or paint on the car.
Carbotech™ XP8™
A high torque brake compound with a wide operating temperature range of 200°F-1250°F+ (93°C to 676°C+). Carbotech™ XP8™ is the first of our racing compounds. Good initial bite at race temperatures, high coefficient of friction, excellent modulation and release characteristics. Extremely high fade resistance and very rotor friendly. Perfect for track day use with any tire and can still be driven safely to and from the track. Carbotech™ does NOT recommended XP8™ as a daily driven street pad due to elevated levels of dust and noise. Carbotech™ XP8™ is a great compound on the front & rear of most open wheel and sports racers.
ahh carbotech ..the company that never publishes their friction mu and charges top dollar
The stoptech street performance pads also look great and are super cheap. I got a set of them sitting on the shelf to try out when my stock z06 pads need replacing.
i wonder what is with hawk and these new names?
the stoptech streets perform similar to OE z06 pads, little less initial bite but a higher heat range, also noiser than the OE pads but again, stoptech streets are about 50% of the cost of OE z06 pads
imo they are awesome for low cost, but, the OE z06 pads can be had off amazon for 150 a set shipped. that's the same pad the dealer sells you for 2x+ more
I am not sure about those, but I have been running the Hawk HPS on my Z06 since 2007. I have not had any performance issues or excessive dust with them. They have been a great pad.
I am not sure you have the same threshold level for what is deemed "excessive" - or maybe you don't need performance pads at all and barely push the car, but there is no way in hell I'd describe Hawk HPS pads as anything but DUSTY - I've used them on multiple vehicles. They do dust like a SOB, lets be honest here.
These are the pads I am using as well... Just installed them along with the Baer Eradispeed 2pc rotors.. Bedded my pads yesterday. Stopping is night and day compared to my previous slotted, cross drilled rotors.
Originally Posted by 63Corvette
It depends on the track and on your driving style and level of aggression.
I use Stoptech "Street performance" pads (good for 1300 degrees F.) for street and low brake usage tracks like MSR Cresson and TWS. I use real race pads for hard brake usage tracks like Eagles Canyon and Road America.
Guys, thanks for all the insite! im going to do more research on these new Hawk 5.0 and Hawk Street / Race pads to see what i find. As for rotors, im still looking but ive narrowed it down to just slotted. really looking at the centric (stop tech) slotted, and others you guys know of around that price range (higher or lower) that are high carbon.
I am not sure you have the same threshold level for what is deemed "excessive" - or maybe you don't need performance pads at all and barely push the car, but there is no way in hell I'd describe Hawk HPS pads as anything but DUSTY - I've used them on multiple vehicles. They do dust like a SOB, lets be honest here.
I would track my car twice a year, and also did a lot of drag racing. The HPS dusted way less than the stock Z06 pads did. The HP+ are the ones I have found to be dusty. They were worse compared to the stock Z06 pads.