ABS and Tracking?
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Racer
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From: KY
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I was pretty stiff after doing the job and thankfully the new unit came with screws. Somehow I managed to drop and lose 2 of the little buggers. It is a little easier to get to with the upper hose out of the way.
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Racer
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From: KY
No longer in the club, but still have some connections. Most of the guys are like myself and not young enough to do the work or can't. Mostly the can't part. I see what's involved in getting it out, location is not that easy to get too. Have a guy that works on an older SUV for me that could do it I'm sure if I had the module.
It is not Tracking it is Traction Control or TC. When the EBCM does not work ( it is basically the anti lock brake controller) the ABS, Active Handling (AH) and Traction Control (TC) are all disabled because it requires an ABS for those other functions.
I live in southern AZ so it is not a short trip to come help you. If I was headed to the Museum (not any time soon unfortunately) I would stop by.
Do you have a Corvette Club near where you live??? Often there are one or more techie types in the club that will do work for a price. Check that option out. Also see if there are any reliable independant Corvette shops that the Club members recommend. They may be able to help you out and/or be less expensive than the dealer.
Removing the EBCM is not that difficult except that you need to be somewhat of a contortionist to get out a couple of the 6 bolts that hold the EBCM in place. That can be a problem as you age. Ask how I know that.
I live in southern AZ so it is not a short trip to come help you. If I was headed to the Museum (not any time soon unfortunately) I would stop by.
Do you have a Corvette Club near where you live??? Often there are one or more techie types in the club that will do work for a price. Check that option out. Also see if there are any reliable independant Corvette shops that the Club members recommend. They may be able to help you out and/or be less expensive than the dealer.
Removing the EBCM is not that difficult except that you need to be somewhat of a contortionist to get out a couple of the 6 bolts that hold the EBCM in place. That can be a problem as you age. Ask how I know that.
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Racer
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I can also see removing the hose will make it a lot easier. And repair is not worth the risk of having to redo it and most likely buying a new one later anyway. Dealer wants $1308 for parts, and $225 for labor. Not including the valve if needed. This just for ABS. The other cost would be replacing the module for traction. 
As JR-01 mentioned you can find the new EBCM on Amazon for around $500. Getting the EBCM out is a bit of a pain but really not all that bad.
If you can get the module and have you mechanic contact do the remove/install you can still get this done for far less than a dealership is going to charge. Typically the dealer will want $800 or more for the part and then are getting $100+ per hour for labor. Expect them to state 2 hours minimum to remove/reinstall the part.
I agree with the concept JR-01 stated of a new part just to insure that you don't mess something else up with soldering a relay onto the main board inside of the EBCM. Having to remove the EBCM a second time because the EBCM repair went awry is not enjoyable.
If you can get the module and have you mechanic contact do the remove/install you can still get this done for far less than a dealership is going to charge. Typically the dealer will want $800 or more for the part and then are getting $100+ per hour for labor. Expect them to state 2 hours minimum to remove/reinstall the part.
I agree with the concept JR-01 stated of a new part just to insure that you don't mess something else up with soldering a relay onto the main board inside of the EBCM. Having to remove the EBCM a second time because the EBCM repair went awry is not enjoyable.
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Racer
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You know a lot more about the car than what they were telling me. They didn't say anything about the code we're looking at, just what their computer told them, or maybe just what they wanted me to believe. I know I should have ask here first!
Thanks man, I just need to order the order the part and go from there. If you were closer we would certainly chill with a few brews.
Thanks man, I just need to order the order the part and go from there. If you were closer we would certainly chill with a few brews.
There is NO separate module for Traction Control. The PCM senses the wheel speed sensors and then activates the ABS (EBCM) to the proper wheel (s) to regain traction. The EBCM then operates the valve portion of the pair to apply the brakes as needed.
Active handling DOES have several other parts but they seldom fail. When the EBCM fails ( main power relay in your case as the C1214 indicates) then the system disables the TC and AH because the ABS is NOT working.....
Since the ONLY code that you have is C1214 there is absolutely NO REASON to suspect any other failing components.
$1308 is hugely expensive for the EBCM IMHO. Here is the part (AC Delco) on Amazon:
Amazon.com: ACDelco 12216561 GM Original Equipment Electronic Brake Control Module Assembly: Automotive
Active handling DOES have several other parts but they seldom fail. When the EBCM fails ( main power relay in your case as the C1214 indicates) then the system disables the TC and AH because the ABS is NOT working.....
Since the ONLY code that you have is C1214 there is absolutely NO REASON to suspect any other failing components.
$1308 is hugely expensive for the EBCM IMHO. Here is the part (AC Delco) on Amazon:
Amazon.com: ACDelco 12216561 GM Original Equipment Electronic Brake Control Module Assembly: Automotive
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I recently experienced a problem with the EBCM on my 2001 convertible. I was throwing the dreaded C1255 code. This is a non-repairable code requiring the replacement of the EBCM with a new module.. I don't know your model year, but I'm told that the 97-2000 models are equipped with a non-repairable module. Replacements are extremely hard to locate. I contacted Brandon Hite at ABSFIXER at 877-648-7530, a Forum Vendor (www.ABSFIXER.com) and told him about my problem. He suggested that I send him the EBCM and he would check it out. It was non-repairable. You can remove the module and still use the car, but without the use of the ABS/Traction Control feature. Just make sure you zip tie the electrical plugs securely out of the way of any moving parts. The C1214 code, I believe, is a repairable code. I think Brandon will do the repair for about $150.00 plus shipping. A new unit, which I was required to purchase, runs about $670.00 plus shipping. Brandon is a stand-up guy and won't steer you wrong...
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I recently experienced a problem with the EBCM on my 2001 convertible. I was throwing the dreaded C1255 code. This is a non-repairable code requiring the replacement of the EBCM with a new module.. I don't know your model year, but I'm told that the 97-2000 models are equipped with a non-repairable module. Replacements are extremely hard to locate. I contacted Brandon Hite at ABSFIXER at 877-648-7530, a Forum Vendor (www.ABSFIXER.com) and told him about my problem. He suggested that I send him the EBCM and he would check it out. It was non-repairable. You can remove the module and still use the car, but without the use of the ABS/Traction Control feature. Just make sure you zip tie the electrical plugs securely out of the way of any moving parts. The C1214 code, I believe, is a repairable code. I think Brandon will do the repair for about $150.00 plus shipping. A new unit, which I was required to purchase, runs about $670.00 plus shipping. Brandon is a stand-up guy and won't steer you wrong...
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Gentleman, I'm a disabled Vet,, lost most of my left hand in the corps,,I'm in my sixties..
ok Yes it can be a pain in the A** but it is doable... 1st,, disconnect the battery 2nd remove the ecbm,, 3rd for about 150.oo esh send it to ABSFixers in Ga.. 4th you can still drive the car until you get it back on--(just take it easy)... 5th.. 8vette7 knows,,really knows what he is talking about---listen to what he has to say.. it not rocket science..If an old Jar head can do it,, any one can... GOOD LUCK
MIKE
ok Yes it can be a pain in the A** but it is doable... 1st,, disconnect the battery 2nd remove the ecbm,, 3rd for about 150.oo esh send it to ABSFixers in Ga.. 4th you can still drive the car until you get it back on--(just take it easy)... 5th.. 8vette7 knows,,really knows what he is talking about---listen to what he has to say.. it not rocket science..If an old Jar head can do it,, any one can... GOOD LUCK
MIKE
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One thing. There is a nylon band on the main plug lock. Looks like a zip tie. Do not cut it. It is a retainer for the plug lock . Pull it out carefully, swing lock open and remove plug. Maybe 8VETTE7 can explain it better or there are directions on the ABSFIXER site.
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Racer
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Guys I really do appreciate all the info. Yes to 8vette7, he is one cool guy. I see what's involved now and know so much more than I did this morning. Like I have said, "I should have ask here first!" 
Gentleman, I'm a disabled Vet,, lost most of my left hand in the corps,,I'm in my sixties..
ok Yes it can be a pain in the A** but it is doable... 1st,, disconnect the battery 2nd remove the ecbm,, 3rd for about 150.oo esh send it to ABSFixers in Ga.. 4th you can still drive the car until you get it back on--(just take it easy)... 5th.. 8vette7 knows,,really knows what he is talking about---listen to what he has to say.. it not rocket science..If an old Jar head can do it,, any one can... GOOD LUCK
MIKE
ok Yes it can be a pain in the A** but it is doable... 1st,, disconnect the battery 2nd remove the ecbm,, 3rd for about 150.oo esh send it to ABSFixers in Ga.. 4th you can still drive the car until you get it back on--(just take it easy)... 5th.. 8vette7 knows,,really knows what he is talking about---listen to what he has to say.. it not rocket science..If an old Jar head can do it,, any one can... GOOD LUCK
MIKE
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These won't go off even if reset, come right back on. So dealership checks it out and tells me both modules are out. Meaning $3100 to replace them. However, best case is replacing one might clear up the other, but their computer says both are bad.
Would like some info on your experience with these issues. A pricey fix for sure. Any help on this appreciated.
Would like some info on your experience with these issues. A pricey fix for sure. Any help on this appreciated.