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Old Jan 12, 2016 | 08:01 AM
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Hi all,
I have a low mile 2002 Z06.
I'm looking to start using the car for longer cross country road trips.

Over the years I have addressed many of the little updates to the known issues that are common to the C5. (EBCM, LS6 valve springs, rear differential seal, steering column lock just to name a few)

As preventative maintenance, I'm thinking that it might be a good idea to replace the factory harmonic balancer with a good aftermarket unit.
From reading the many posts using the search engine, it looks as though the ATI #917266 unit is a good choice with an ARP bolt.
I need the ARP bolt part number.

Currently the stock balancer is fine.
My concern is to be stuck in the middle of nowhere USA with a failed balancer.
Perhaps I'm being a bit paranoid?
Any thoughts or opinions on my plan would be appreciated.
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Silverbird
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Old Jan 12, 2016 | 08:10 AM
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Originally Posted by silverbird
Hi all,
I have a low mile 2002 Z06.
I'm looking to start using the car for longer cross country road trips.

Over the years I have addressed many of the little updates to the known issues that are common to the C5. (EBCM, LS6 valve springs, rear differential seal, steering column lock just to name a few)

As preventative maintenance, I'm thinking that it might be a good idea to replace the factory harmonic balancer with a good aftermarket unit.
From reading the many posts using the search engine, it looks as though the ATI #917266 unit is a good choice with an ARP bolt.
I need the ARP bolt part number.

Currently the stock balancer is fine.
My concern is to be stuck in the middle of nowhere USA with a failed balancer.
Perhaps I'm being a bit paranoid?
Any thoughts or opinions on my plan would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Silverbird
Most bad harmonic balancer problems start with an oil leak near the front of the engine, and progress for several months before anything disastrous happens. Getting stranded with a sudden loss of that component is highly unlikely.
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Old Jan 12, 2016 | 08:54 AM
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Old Jan 12, 2016 | 09:16 AM
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You are spot on with your reasoning. I did the same thing last year now that we are taking longer trips in the vette.
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Old Jan 12, 2016 | 09:41 AM
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Wise choice ! On a recent trip from Atlanta Ga. to Dallas Tx. my H B came loose. Pulled off in Terrell Tx. with a shade tree Mech who was able to retighten the H B to the crank using some very unorthodox techniques. It got me back to Atl. where I had my Vette Mech install a new one .
Originally Posted by silverbird
Hi all,
I have a low mile 2002 Z06.
I'm looking to start using the car for longer cross country road trips.

Over the years I have addressed many of the little updates to the known issues that are common to the C5. (EBCM, LS6 valve springs, rear differential seal, steering column lock just to name a few)

As preventative maintenance, I'm thinking that it might be a good idea to replace the factory harmonic balancer with a good aftermarket unit.
From reading the many posts using the search engine, it looks as though the ATI #917266 unit is a good choice with an ARP bolt.
I need the ARP bolt part number.

Currently the stock balancer is fine.
My concern is to be stuck in the middle of nowhere USA with a failed balancer.
Perhaps I'm being a bit paranoid?
Any thoughts or opinions on my plan would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Silverbird
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Old Jan 12, 2016 | 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Phanni
Most bad harmonic balancer problems start with an oil leak near the front of the engine, and progress for several months before anything disastrous happens. Getting stranded with a sudden loss of that component is highly unlikely.
Good to know.
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Old Jan 12, 2016 | 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by silverbird
....I need the ARP bolt part number....

ARP # 234-2503

From the ARP site:
http://arp-bolts.com/kits/ARPkit-det...?RecordID=1367

The best price I found was a local shop that had one in stock. Beat all the online places.

I had my balancer fail at 30k miles. The way it failed was the outer pulleys moved in relation to the hub.

The hub did not move or cause any leakage problems.

The outer separating from the hub at the rubber between them is the common failure type and can occur at any time. Some happen rather quickly. This separation is what happened on mine and caused a wobble that made the belt chirp. I replaced mine before the separation was bad enough to contact the steering rack or the front cover.

Take a look a some of the threads on changing the balancer. There is some good advice that helped me.

Good luck.
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Old Jan 12, 2016 | 03:52 PM
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For most - this is a one time repair if you use a quality replacement balancer. There is no need to buy an expensive ARP bolt. The $5.00 OEM bolt will do fine for the life of the car. If you do many engine mods and tear downs, then the ARP bolt makes sense. Otherwise it's a waste of money.
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My Vette Mech. had replaced at least four (including mine) on C-5 Vettes . The steering rack has to come down & the labor charge was approx.. $100.
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I think you're looking at a minimum of $800.00 labor for the balancer replacement. Parts are extra. This is a labor intensive job on C5.
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Originally Posted by Phanni
Most bad harmonic balancer problems start with an oil leak near the front of the engine, and progress for several months before anything disastrous happens. Getting stranded with a sudden loss of that component is highly unlikely.
I have a feeling you'll have some notice before it completely fails.
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Old Jan 12, 2016 | 10:30 PM
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There are a lot more things that can leave you stranded before the HB for sure...leaving town without a spare comes to mind immediately for myself.
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Old Jan 13, 2016 | 03:21 AM
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$800 to change a balancer?, sounds a little extreme to me. How much have others paid to have it replaced? Where are good places to look to buy one, I've done this job on my street rod so I'm sure I could get it done on my Vette, if I had to.
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Old Jan 13, 2016 | 06:59 AM
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Google "cost to replace balancer on c5 corvette" and see what you get. If you think $800.00 is high - you haven't replaced one!
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Old Jan 13, 2016 | 07:24 AM
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Terrell TX... I would not want to get caught there w my Vette breaking down...

You must have been running on I20.... Sure you hit a place right off the interstate... Had you traveled into town you would know what I am talking about... Glad it worked out for ya.


Originally Posted by baileysade
Wise choice ! On a recent trip from Atlanta Ga. to Dallas Tx. my H B came loose. Pulled off in Terrell Tx. with a shade tree Mech who was able to retighten the H B to the crank using some very unorthodox techniques. It got me back to Atl. where I had my Vette Mech install a new one .
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Old Jan 13, 2016 | 08:19 AM
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In another recent thread that I don't want to mention for fear of resurrecting it the consensus was around 4 or 5h labor to replace it.

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Guys,
Thanks for all the great responses.
Next week, I'm taking my daily driver to the Chevy dealer for a complimentary oil change. I'll ask for a quote on the Balancer job.
Will post the Number$$$$$$.....Any guesses?
Silverbird


Originally Posted by El original
There are a lot more things that can leave you stranded before the HB for sure...leaving town without a spare comes to mind immediately for myself.
I realize you can't cover all the bases as far as mechanical things going wrong. IMHO, belts, tensioners, hoses, alternators, water pumps and flat tires would be much easier to deal with by a shade tree mechanic in The-Middle-Of-Nowhere, USA than say a big labor intensive job like a C5 harmonic balancer. I think if you "try" to eliminate the big stuff, it could be advantageous as far as a long road trip is concerned.
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Old Jan 13, 2016 | 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by striper
$800 to change a balancer?, sounds a little extreme to me. How much have others paid to have it replaced? Where are good places to look to buy one, I've done this job on my street rod so I'm sure I could get it done on my Vette, if I had to.
Just had mine (2002 coupe) replaced at around 23,000 miles. Heard an odd noise, pulled over and found the accessory belt coming apart (the wire structure shredding the hood insulation as it lashed). You could see the HB pulley had worked forward on the shaft by approx. 1/2 inch.

Called AAA. Took car to the dealer and picked it up the next day. Without looking for the invoice, I believe it was:

$140 for parts (OEM)
$800+ for labor (Clearwater, FL)

If my numbers are anything, they may be a little low.

PITA
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Originally Posted by baileysade
My Vette Mech. had replaced at least four (including mine) on C-5 Vettes . The steering rack has to come down & the labor charge was approx.. $100.
Did you leave out a $0?
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ATI balancer: $400
Labor: $800
Installed at a Corvette specialist about 18 months ago.
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