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Old May 16, 2016 | 10:55 AM
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Good day to all--
I have the Orange tire pressure sensors in my 2002 coupe that were working fine until I installed a new AGM battery and now the won't re-program. I'm using dual magnets that came out of a microwave that worked when I first had them installed with my new aftermarket wheels from OE Wheels. I even had the dealer try and program them when I was having some other work done and while they now show a number on the DIC they are stuck on 50, 42, 30, and 21 which keeps telling me I have a low RF tire(which I don't). I bought 4 new GM sensors to install but hate the thought of breaking down the beads of the low profile tires and possibly causing damage so I thought I'd reach out to you guys first for a possible solution.
One other thing I'll mention is I was having the C1214 code which meant a possible ECBM problem but it's been 5 weeks and no more codes since installing the new battery.
Thanks for any input.

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Old May 16, 2016 | 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by 8VETTE7
Very hard to believe that changing a battery in the car would cause the TPMS to stop working. Never has in my car and I have never seen this symptom reported by others that have replaced the car battery.

Likely something else gong on. I suggest that you pull and post ALL your codes including the H or C or HC that follow each 5 character code. If you have never pulled codes here is how:

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I pull my battery out for 5 months and when I put it back in, the TPMS work just fine.
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Old May 16, 2016 | 12:38 PM
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I pull my battery out for 5 months and when I put it back in, the TPMS work just fine.
YEP,,, I agree!

Do your FOBs function properly?
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YEP,,, I agree!

Do your FOBs function properly?
Similar thing happened to me. My car, a 2002 coupe, is equipped with 4 Orange Electronics tire pressure sensors. While changing the AC compressor I had the battery out of the car for 3 days. Now only one of the four sensors reports tire pressure. I have made several attempts to program the sensors with no luck. The same single sensor continues to report pressure but the other three remain blank. Fobs work fine and there are no codes. I bought the sensors online about a year ago and they programed fine when I installed them. If I read the sensor date codes correctly they were manufactured in 2008. I have seen reports online of poor battery life with the Orange Electronic sensors. I suppose low sensor battery voltage could be the problem. I intend to replace mine with Schrader sensors when I get new tires.
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Old May 16, 2016 | 02:07 PM
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I just got back from Nat Tire & Battery and a fellow who used to work at a Chevy dealership checked out my car and he couldn't get the sensors to work using all of his tools and he also checked out the system and said the sensors are transmitting but he is just as baffled as I am. There are no codes at all showing on the DIC so that is no help. One thing he mentioned was to replace the door module that controls all of these features and re-program the fob. After a trip to the dealer and a quote of over 400.00 for the module they still couldn't tell me which door module to replace. Does the driver or pass side control the sensors? This is really weird that no one can give me a definitive answer and I'm not crazy about throwing hundreds of dollars at something that may or may not fix this problem. I had new sensors ready to install but John(NTB) said the ones I have are transmitting but the receiver is more than likely the culprit. Anybody ever replace their door module?
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Old May 16, 2016 | 03:23 PM
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I think that if you had a problem with the door control module you would have a LDCM or RDCM codes. Did you drive the car to see if the TPM wake up then try programming them and go for another drive and see if the are working.
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Old May 16, 2016 | 04:27 PM
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There is no door module. There is a module inside the trunk/hatch area above and behind the driver's side tire near the top surface. It is a receiver. It gets signals from the key fob and the TMPS sensors.

Chances are if the key fob is still working, the receiver is still working too and not your problem with the TPMS sensors.

My guess is something with the sensors. As stated above, pull all the codes and post them here so people can help to debug it.
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Old May 16, 2016 | 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by QCVette
There is no door module. There is a module inside the trunk/hatch area above and behind the driver's side tire near the top surface. It is a receiver. It gets signals from the key fob and the TMPS sensors.

Chances are if the key fob is still working, the receiver is still working too and not your problem with the TPMS sensors.

My guess is something with the sensors. As stated above, pull all the codes and post them here so people can help to debug it.
The OP stated there were no codes in the DIC.
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The DOOR MODULES are NOT part of the TPMS system

The TPMS consist of the RFA module (or Remote Control Door Lock Receiver) and the BCM.. It connects to the BCM thru the serial data buss:



It looks like this and is hidden on the drivers side above the wheel well behind the plastic that encloses the speaker:

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Are you sure you did the proper procedure to check the codes, I did re read you original post and you replaced the battery, you should have at least no communication codes.
The drivers door control module is part of a serial buss, but if there was a problem you would have the no communication codes. Below are some of the common codes when the battery has been disconnected. You may not have all of them.....


60-IPC - Instrument Panel Cluster

B0516 Speedometer Signal Circuit Malfunction
B0521 Tachometer Signal Circuit Malfunction
B1512 DIC Switch 1 Signal Short to GND "FUEL"
B1517 DIC Switch 2 Signal Short to GND "GAGES"
B1522 DIC Switch 3 Signal Short to GND "TRIP"
B1527 DIC Switch 4 Signal Short to GND "OPTIONS"
B1532 DIC Switch 5 Signal Short to GND "E/M"
B1537 DIC Switch 6 Signal Short to GND "RESET"
B1542 Oil Temperature Circuit Short to GND
B1543 Oil Temperature Circuit Open
U1016 Loss of Communications with PCM
U1040 Loss of Communications with TCS
U1056 Loss of Communications with RTD
U1064 Loss of Communications with BCM
U1128 Loss of Communications with Radio
U1153 Loss of Communications with HVAC
U1160 Loss of Communications with LDCM
U1161 Loss of Communications with RDCM
U1166 Loss of Communications with SCM
U1176 Loss of Communications with RFA
U1255 Serial Data Line Malfunction

80-Radio - Radio Not Found

99-HVAC - Heater, Ventilation, Air Conditioning
B0332 Outside Air Temp Sensor Short to GND
B0333 Outside Air Temp Sensor Open
B0337 Inside Air Temp Sensor Short to GND
B0338 Inside Air Temp Sensor Open
B0348 Sunload Temperature Sensor Open
B0361 Left Actuator Feedback Short to GND
B0363 Left Actuator Feedback Open
B0365 Right Actuator Feedback Short to GND
B0367 Right Actuator Feedback Open
B0441 Left Actuator Out of Range
B0446 Right Actuator Out of Range
B1016 Loss of Communications with PCM
U1064 Loss of Communications with BCM
U1096 Loss of Communications with IPC
U1255 Serial Data Line Malfunction

A0-LDCM - Left Door Control Module
B2202 Left Window Up Switch Fault
B2204 Left Window Down Switch Fault
B2206 Right Window Up Switch Fault
B2208 Right Window Down Switch Fault
B2222 LT Mirror Select Switch Fault
B2224 RT Mirror Select Switch Fault
B2226 Mirror Right Switch Fault
B2228 Mirror Left Switch Fault
B2232 Mirror Up Switch Fault
B2234 Mirror Down Switch Fault
B2236 Left Door Lock Switch Fault
B2238 Left Door UnLock Switch Fault
B2242 Memory 1 Switch Fault
B2244 Memory 2 Switch Fault
B2252 Key Cylinder Switch Fault
B2262 Horizontal Position Sensor Fit
B2264 Vertical Position Sensor Fault
B2272 Left Mirror Motor Fault
B2274 Window Motor Fault
B2276 Door Lock Motor/Mirror Heater Fit
B2282 Battery #1 Fault
B2284 Battery #2 Fault
B2286 +5V Reference Fault
U1064 Loss of Communications with BCM
U1096 Loss of Communications with IPC
U1255 Serial Data Line Malfunction

A1-RDCM - Right Door Control Module
B2203 Right Window Up Switch Fault
B2205 Right Window Down Switch Fault
B2237 Right Door Lock Switch Fault
B2239 Right Door Un-Lock Switch Fault
B2253 Key Cylinder Switch Fault
B2263 Horizontal Position Sensor Fit
B2265 Horizontal Position Sensor Fault
B2273 Right Mirror Motor Fault
B2275 Window Motor Fault
B2277 Door Lock Motor/Mirror Heater Fit
B2283 Battery #1 Fault
B2285 Battery #2 Fault
B2287 +5V Reference Fault
U1064 Loss of Communications with BCM
U1096 Loss of Communications with IPC
U1255 Serial Data Line Malfunction


B0-RFA - Remote Function Actuation
B0605 Receiver Internal Memory Malfunction
B2805 No Transmitters Programmed
C2100 Left Front TPM Sensor Malfunction
C2105 Right Front TPM Sensor Malfunction
C2110 Right Rear TPM Sensor Malfunction
C2115 Left Rear TPM Sensor Malfunction
C2120 TPM System Malfunction (No Sensors Received)
C2121 TPM System Programming Malfunction (No Sensors Programmed)
U1000 Loss of Communication Undetermined
U1016 Loss of Communication with PCM
U1064 Loss of Communication with BCM
U1096 Loss of Communication with IPC
U1255 Serial Data Line Malfunction

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Originally Posted by Bill Vett
Are you sure you did the proper procedure to check the codes, I did re read you original post and you replaced the battery, you should have at least no communication codes.
The drivers door control module is part of a serial buss, but if there was a problem you would have the no communication codes. Below are some of the common codes when the battery has been disconnected. You may not have all of them.....


60-IPC - Instrument Panel Cluster

B0516 Speedometer Signal Circuit Malfunction
B0521 Tachometer Signal Circuit Malfunction
B1512 DIC Switch 1 Signal Short to GND "FUEL"
B1517 DIC Switch 2 Signal Short to GND "GAGES"
B1522 DIC Switch 3 Signal Short to GND "TRIP"
B1527 DIC Switch 4 Signal Short to GND "OPTIONS"
B1532 DIC Switch 5 Signal Short to GND "E/M"
B1537 DIC Switch 6 Signal Short to GND "RESET"
B1542 Oil Temperature Circuit Short to GND
B1543 Oil Temperature Circuit Open
U1016 Loss of Communications with PCM
U1040 Loss of Communications with TCS
U1056 Loss of Communications with RTD
U1064 Loss of Communications with BCM
U1128 Loss of Communications with Radio
U1153 Loss of Communications with HVAC
U1160 Loss of Communications with LDCM
U1161 Loss of Communications with RDCM
U1166 Loss of Communications with SCM
U1176 Loss of Communications with RFA
U1255 Serial Data Line Malfunction

80-Radio - Radio Not Found

99-HVAC - Heater, Ventilation, Air Conditioning
B0332 Outside Air Temp Sensor Short to GND
B0333 Outside Air Temp Sensor Open
B0337 Inside Air Temp Sensor Short to GND
B0338 Inside Air Temp Sensor Open
B0348 Sunload Temperature Sensor Open
B0361 Left Actuator Feedback Short to GND
B0363 Left Actuator Feedback Open
B0365 Right Actuator Feedback Short to GND
B0367 Right Actuator Feedback Open
B0441 Left Actuator Out of Range
B0446 Right Actuator Out of Range
B1016 Loss of Communications with PCM
U1064 Loss of Communications with BCM
U1096 Loss of Communications with IPC
U1255 Serial Data Line Malfunction

A0-LDCM - Left Door Control Module
B2202 Left Window Up Switch Fault
B2204 Left Window Down Switch Fault
B2206 Right Window Up Switch Fault
B2208 Right Window Down Switch Fault
B2222 LT Mirror Select Switch Fault
B2224 RT Mirror Select Switch Fault
B2226 Mirror Right Switch Fault
B2228 Mirror Left Switch Fault
B2232 Mirror Up Switch Fault
B2234 Mirror Down Switch Fault
B2236 Left Door Lock Switch Fault
B2238 Left Door UnLock Switch Fault
B2242 Memory 1 Switch Fault
B2244 Memory 2 Switch Fault
B2252 Key Cylinder Switch Fault
B2262 Horizontal Position Sensor Fit
B2264 Vertical Position Sensor Fault
B2272 Left Mirror Motor Fault
B2274 Window Motor Fault
B2276 Door Lock Motor/Mirror Heater Fit
B2282 Battery #1 Fault
B2284 Battery #2 Fault
B2286 +5V Reference Fault
U1064 Loss of Communications with BCM
U1096 Loss of Communications with IPC
U1255 Serial Data Line Malfunction

A1-RDCM - Right Door Control Module
B2203 Right Window Up Switch Fault
B2205 Right Window Down Switch Fault
B2237 Right Door Lock Switch Fault
B2239 Right Door Un-Lock Switch Fault
B2253 Key Cylinder Switch Fault
B2263 Horizontal Position Sensor Fit
B2265 Horizontal Position Sensor Fault
B2273 Right Mirror Motor Fault
B2275 Window Motor Fault
B2277 Door Lock Motor/Mirror Heater Fit
B2283 Battery #1 Fault
B2285 Battery #2 Fault
B2287 +5V Reference Fault
U1064 Loss of Communications with BCM
U1096 Loss of Communications with IPC
U1255 Serial Data Line Malfunction


B0-RFA - Remote Function Actuation
B0605 Receiver Internal Memory Malfunction
B2805 No Transmitters Programmed
C2100 Left Front TPM Sensor Malfunction
C2105 Right Front TPM Sensor Malfunction
C2110 Right Rear TPM Sensor Malfunction
C2115 Left Rear TPM Sensor Malfunction
C2120 TPM System Malfunction (No Sensors Received)
C2121 TPM System Programming Malfunction (No Sensors Programmed)
U1000 Loss of Communication Undetermined
U1016 Loss of Communication with PCM
U1064 Loss of Communication with BCM
U1096 Loss of Communication with IPC
U1255 Serial Data Line Malfunction
I double checked for any codes and there are none. I went for a 15 min ride, got out and proceeded to try and reprogram the sensors again and got nowhere. Once I got home I disconnected the battery
for a few minutes and that cleared out all the info on the sensors(each one is now blank-no xxx's) and at least I don't have the low front tire message anymore. I've decided to just leave it as is and keep an eye on my tire pressure the old fashion way just like my other three cars.
Thanks for the replies but this one is a real mystery.
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Originally Posted by thisMSGgood4me
I hope you're not running on runflats, because without the sensors monitoring your tire pressures, you're not going to know when they're low (or completely out of air) just by looking at them. It's not a safe situation to be on runflats and no TPMS, so good luck getting this resolved asap.
I'm running on new Bridgestone tires and I plan on just checking the air pressure w/a digital tire gauge. I should be fine barring an outright blowout and even then the TPS wouldn't be of much help. I'll post any new findings in the future. Appreciate the help guys.
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Originally Posted by Bill Curlee
The DOOR MODULES are NOT part of the TPMS system

The TPMS consist of the RFA module (or Remote Control Door Lock Receiver) and the BCM.. It connects to the BCM thru the serial data buss:



It looks like this and is hidden on the drivers side above the wheel well behind the plastic that encloses the speaker:

Bill,
Is that your car in the pic? I am wondering because I see the car in the pic has interior insulation, and I have noticed my TPMS in the front seem to be acting up since I put my insulation in last spring. I'm wondering if the sensors are dying or if there is some sort of interference due to the metallic coating on the insulation.
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Originally Posted by Bill Curlee
The DOOR MODULES are NOT part of the TPMS system

The TPMS consist of the RFA module (or Remote Control Door Lock Receiver) and the BCM.. It connects to the BCM thru the serial data buss:



It looks like this and is hidden on the drivers side above the wheel well behind the plastic that encloses the speaker:

Thanks for this info Bill--Is there only the one fuse in the TPMS and where might that be? It's a long shot but stranger things have happened in working w/my Vette so I figured it's worth a try. Thanks!
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Originally Posted by 8VETTE7
Apparently you don't know how to read the wiring diagram that Bill posted.........

Fuse #27 in the Instrument Panel fuse box which is in the passenger foot well behind the toe kick.

However if that fuse were blown then neither the FOB's nor the TPMS would be functional.
I'm pretty handy but reading schematics isn't my strong suit. I'm just grasping at straws here cause no one anywhere can offer up a solution to this issue. Thanks for the assist.
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