It is good to have competition, lowers the Corvette tax and improves the products over time.

 

Which is why I said I know its a marketing ploy.

 

at the end of the day, nothing. just honesty, integrity, and credibility.

 

Ok, I'll reply to the troll bait,

Foxconn makes iPhones for Apple and it's still marketed as an APPLE iPhone, xyz China factory makes the Mainstays brand random plastic product from China for Walmart. Yes, KBD makes it, they have great service and can tell you first hand how great the fitment is and they manufacture it in the USA. You're not really shocking anyone here, in fact I had previously mentioned that people don't generally copy urethane so I had already admitted we got it from the same place. Thanks for plugging my post with relevant search terms and KBD and bumping the thread though.

 

Yeah and for that price the shipping is free as verified by your screen capture, I appreciate the compliments, you're too kind.

BTW, I did mention that we take best offers, so even if that is your mentality other customers could possibly get it for "free shipping" compared to our website price.

Obviously the lower price on our website couldn't be because we offer combined flat rate shipping or local pickup, the best thing to do is jump to baseless accusations and conspiracy theories before asking civilized questions.

 

It's nice that we all have our own cars and can do to them as We see fit. I'm sure that there are some people that prefer the stock car and some of us that want somthing other than that. The good news is that since I paid for my C5 if I want to put a TURD on it, I can!!!!!

 

Good for you. I wasn't implying anything about anybody else's intent or opinions, just mine.

 

wasn't trying to shock anyone here. just wanting to show you why you got the blatant ripoff comment. basically you are a 4th party supplier. made by KBD, marketed as VSaero and then you sell it. you think when someone searches and finds this thread it'll be a good thing for you? stay positive.

nothing baseless about it. pete at corvette creations sells it for 559.00 PLUS 79.00 shipping for a total of 638.00. you tell people on ebay it's 638.00 with "free shipping". so you aren't being honest and hiding the shipping. someone like me sees that and wonders what else you "hide". but like i said i know it's a marketing ploy. might want to take the chip off your shoulder. again, i was only helping you realize why you were getting the blatant ripoff statement. so instead of asking a civilized question, as you suggest, you decided to make baseless accusations and come up with a conspiracy theory of your own that i was out to get you.

actually in this thread you did not mention you take best offers. you did in your other for sale thread in the c5 vendor for sale section. i did give you a best offer in one of my previous posts. i'll quote it again for you.

and as we found out from Shirl you do the "free shipping" to inflate your shipping rating.

either way, let me know if you'll take my best offer.

 

wasn't trying to shock anyone here. just wanting to show you why you got the blatant ripoff comment. basically you are a 4th party supplier. made by KBD, marketed as VSaero and then you sell it. you think when someone searches and finds this thread it'll be a good thing for you? stay positive.

as i have shown pete sells it for 559.00 PLUS 79.00 shipping which totals 638.00. so how is your ebay ad for free shipping at that price, which is the same 638.00, actually free? even on your own website you sell it for 559.00 PLUS shipping? i really love the 699.00 marked out to think it's on a special price. again, i know it's a marketing ploy. thanks for the compliment, you're WAY kinder than me.

nothing baseless about it. pete at corvette creations sells it for 559.00 PLUS 79.00 shipping for a total of 638.00. you tell people on ebay it's 638.00 with "free shipping". so you aren't being honest and hiding the shipping. someone like me sees that and wonders what else you "hide". but like i said i know it's a marketing ploy. so again, how is it free shipping on your ebay ad, when it's the same price from pete which he shows shipping charges? AND you have the same 559.00 PLUS shipping on your own website. well, there's that honesty, integrity and credibility statement i made rearing it's ugly head again.....

actually in this thread you did not mention you take best offers. you did in your other for sale thread in the c5 vendor for sale section. i did give you a best offer in one of my previous posts. i'll quote it again for you.

and as we found out for Shirl you do the "free shipping" to inflate your shipping rating.

either way, let me know if you'll take my best offer.

 

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ok so we got this straight. we know KBD makes the product that pete gave to them to make, because stealth 02 on here gave it to pete to get produced and sold. quoting you "pete cannot sell it as his own product". but because you own VSaero, you can put your name on it and watermark the pictures with your logo?? but wait, you just said because pete doesn't own it (might want to read up on this diffuser via the links i put here) he can't put his name on it, yet you did and you don't own it either.

if you aren't allowed to mention the best offer in this section, then why did you?

so now, you just broke the rules of the forum. interesting.

seeing as i have twice presented you with a best offer of actually selling it without shipping (because you advertise it as free shipping on ebay), i'll presume you don't want to take it. so, i'm rescinding my offer. maybe i'll check with ebay about you quoting as free shipping when it's not and see what their rules are about that.

i like this the best. you know it's unethical, yet you admit to doing it. not really helping yourself here. what does that make you? now i can add unethical to my list.

like i said in the beginning, i was only trying to help you understand why you got called a blatant ripoff. instead of taking that newfound knowledge and going thanks, i'll look into it, you decided to go this route and really dig a hole for yourself. you didn't do enough research on this and as a result got called out on it.

what i would do if i were you is take this as a learning lesson. marketing strategies don't work when you have knowledgeable people, better to be honest and ethical.

 

IMO at some point after several setbacks and lack of funding Pete had to "sell out" exclusivity so his part could live.

If it's the same part made by the same mfg for the same 638.00 shipped price but from a different seller what's the difference?

Yes Pete spent years to make this happen and I understand some people's feelings seeing it marketed by other "usurpers" weeks after it finally came out but without this arrangement there

probably would be no C5 bolt on easy install urethane rear diffuser AT ALL.

It's really strictly a 99% appearance mod and I may get one but I think I'll wait until more people have installed them and see what are their opinions over time are as well as more pictures installed on customer cars.

Pictures of painted ones would be nice as in satin black pictures it is hard to see the details of the curves of the shape.

 

mrr23 stop being a troll jordan23 would be ashamed

 

I like pie.

 

Yes I have no issues with Pete or other vendors, I pictured the urethane diffuser from KBD, KBD owns it, if the diffuser mold was owned by just one vendor on the corvette forum they would not willingly subject themselves to unnecessary competition, no one else would be selling it. Now maybe Pete or someone made the donor piece to make the mold but that would be irrelevant since I'm not buying the mock up plug, I'm buying and advertising production pieces owned and manufactured by KBD urethane. Like I said anyone can call KBD and talk to the owner Corey, he'll tell you they own the parts they produce.

Yes in defense to you bringing up the subject of "free shipping" of course I did, to offer a solution to counter the difference in the "free shipping" price difference you were originally has issue with. Admins can check it out if they want.

Show the admins this entire thread, this is what happens when a paying advertiser uses the free shipping option on eBay.

Yes, login to eBay, click on Customer Service > Selling > Call Us and talk to their staff and pose as seller contemplating using the free shipping option, see what they say. I have even presented links to the eBay website encouraging the use of "free shipping". Free Shipping is in the eBay top rated seller guide and throughout eBay that they've been pushing for the Free Shipping option. This is what eBay suggests and recommends: Free shipping, I have explained this in great detail. I do not have the option to hack into eBay servers and change the "Free Shipping" option to say "Total Price" or some other text, if I did possess such hacking abilities I wouldn't be on here selling diffusers, I would be working in the IT security field. Think of the scope of what you're asking, eBay would need to police all sellers who offered "Free Shipping" and maintain and fund a gigantic database and a private army of price spies to try to find different pricing in the store / websites / auction sites of all sellers in the hopes of finding a difference in price and then accusing the seller of not really offering "Free" shipping. Such a task would inflate the price of everything on eBay, just to afford the massive manpower required to do such a thing, eBay knows that it is the right of a seller in a free-market to sell anything for as high of a price as they desire, it is the invisible hand of organic competition from capitalism that keeps them from charging $1500 for a diffuser, no one would ever buy it since competing vendors sell it for less.

I used the word "unethical" in "quotes" for irony / sarcasm.

Right and I don't have any issue about the ripoff statement, in fact you were the one to correctly point out what may have caused the confusion.

We won't agree on the Free Shipping thing, When we offer free shipping on eBay it is the exact same thing as Amazon Prime's free shipping. Yes, the price of the shipping is rolled into the total price in both Amazon's Free Shipping and ours. I do not have an option to change the Amazon/eBay server side graphics or text. eBay doesn't have an option to call it by another name, eBay calls it "free shipping", they do not present an option call it Total Price or some other term if I disagree with their definition of free shipping, it would only cause confusion. If there was any basis for a legal argument here I'm sure some $$$ hungry lawfirm would have already sued eBay / Amazon for just that years ago.

I'm not on here to argue about the ethics of Free Shipping, we probably will not agree on that, I stated my position, people can read this and have the freedom to buy items with or without free shipping, I'm sure if 51% of the American public suddenly stops buying from Amazon/eBay/BestBuy when they see the "free shipping" option, the marketing departments of the top US online retailers will simply change the text to say "total price shipped" or something similar, until then that's the standard term the industry uses.

I don't want to endlessly argue with you or be your enemy, I do not want to start an endless thread about free shipping, I stated as much as I possibly can about it. This will be my final reply to the matter.

 

either way, good luck with your sale.

On your website its 559 plus shipping. On your ebay its 638 with "free shipping". Its false advertising and you know it. For the ebay ad to be truthful it would have to be priced at 559. Most won't research your offer to the extent that I did.

 

Are you going to offer these in carbon fiber?

 

They will once KBD finishes making the mold for pete at corvettecreationz. It'll be for the same price as pete is selling the cf version for with shipping.

 

Me too, pie is good.

 

If Carbon Creations makes the diffuser in Carbon Fiber that would be something we can sell as well. They're pretty hush hush so I will not know the retail price of the Carbon Creations carbon fiber diffuser until Extreme Dimensions announces the release of their diffuser. Since the same mold is used for FRP I assume they will release a Duraflex Fiberglass version as well.