Anybody else have a solid feeling factory shifter?
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Your idea is very doable. The rubber is fairly stiff which is why I retained it. I was almost going to eliminate the top section but I figured that maybe GM was trying to isolate the shifter handle from driveline vibration/noise. If I had an extra handle I would try filling it with some kind of epoxy filler just to see if it makes a difference.
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You can tighten up the stock shifter by taking it completely apart, drilling out the rivets holding the top plate on and using emory on a surface plate to take a little metal off. When you rebuild (3/16 bolts/nuts to replace the rivets), you will have eliminated any "slop" in the ball and socket mechanism.
The stock shifter relies totally on the transmission itself to provide positioning, which is why there is some cross gate "slop" in the lower gears. Some aftermarket shifters allow you to artificially tighten things up by restricting cross gate movement, but to me that's purely cosmetic.
After trying a few different approaches, I went with a tightened up, cut down and solid mounted factory shifter. And a decent shift ****. Works fine, and the throws are shorter, but still light and easy - two fingers are all you need.
One surprising thing I discovered - changing the gearbox oil makes a significant difference, especially if you have a few miles on. I did mine at about 66k and I had been experiencing balking, especially into 2nd, and it just went away after the change. Old fashioned non synthetic DEX III from Wallies, nothing fancy at all.
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No complaints ... until I drove something different.
I didnt trade my C5 when I bought my C7
Switching between the two...the 5 became problematic in that in odd number gears, I would grab for the stick and miss, because the **** and stick are farther forward and higher than on the 7.
The C6/7 shifter rod is shorter and angled; end result you dont have to reach up or as far forward to get 1-3-5.
End result was installing a late 2008 C6 shifter in my C5.
So much nicer. No, it didnt reduce notchiness, etc, but the simple ergonomic benefit is definitely worth it, IMHO.
I didnt trade my C5 when I bought my C7
Switching between the two...the 5 became problematic in that in odd number gears, I would grab for the stick and miss, because the **** and stick are farther forward and higher than on the 7.
The C6/7 shifter rod is shorter and angled; end result you dont have to reach up or as far forward to get 1-3-5.
End result was installing a late 2008 C6 shifter in my C5.
So much nicer. No, it didnt reduce notchiness, etc, but the simple ergonomic benefit is definitely worth it, IMHO.
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I've had them both apart on the bench. Same internals. They made the lower box a bit smaller for the C6 (cheaper), the insulator on the shaft is smaller (cheaper again) and put a bend in the shift lever and added a decent looking ****.
You can tighten up the stock shifter by taking it completely apart, drilling out the rivets holding the top plate on and using emory on a surface plate to take a little metal off. When you rebuild (3/16 bolts/nuts to replace the rivets), you will have eliminated any "slop" in the ball and socket mechanism.
One surprising thing I discovered - changing the gearbox oil makes a significant difference, especially if you have a few miles on. I did mine at about 66k and I had been experiencing balking, especially into 2nd, and it just went away after the change. Old fashioned non synthetic DEX III from Wallies, nothing fancy at all.
You can tighten up the stock shifter by taking it completely apart, drilling out the rivets holding the top plate on and using emory on a surface plate to take a little metal off. When you rebuild (3/16 bolts/nuts to replace the rivets), you will have eliminated any "slop" in the ball and socket mechanism.
One surprising thing I discovered - changing the gearbox oil makes a significant difference, especially if you have a few miles on. I did mine at about 66k and I had been experiencing balking, especially into 2nd, and it just went away after the change. Old fashioned non synthetic DEX III from Wallies, nothing fancy at all.
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No complaints ... until I drove something different.
I didnt trade my C5 when I bought my C7
Switching between the two...the 5 became problematic in that in odd number gears, I would grab for the stick and miss, because the **** and stick are farther forward and higher than on the 7.
The C6/7 shifter rod is shorter and angled; end result you dont have to reach up or as far forward to get 1-3-5.
End result was installing a late 2008 C6 shifter in my C5.
So much nicer. No, it didnt reduce notchiness, etc, but the simple ergonomic benefit is definitely worth it, IMHO.
I didnt trade my C5 when I bought my C7
Switching between the two...the 5 became problematic in that in odd number gears, I would grab for the stick and miss, because the **** and stick are farther forward and higher than on the 7.
The C6/7 shifter rod is shorter and angled; end result you dont have to reach up or as far forward to get 1-3-5.
End result was installing a late 2008 C6 shifter in my C5.
So much nicer. No, it didnt reduce notchiness, etc, but the simple ergonomic benefit is definitely worth it, IMHO.
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I think people that like the stock shifters have never driven on e with a WAY better shifter.. I have a Callaway shifter in my 04/Z love it .. Anybody need a stock shifter I got one.
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Grantv, just as I was thinking of putting a bend in mine, you mentioned about short legs. I was browbeaten by my chiropractor to sit closer for my size due to my back problems I had, which can return if I do something dumb. He insisted that my legs have a significant bend. I'm 5'11", so being closer is good for my back, I wonder if the bent shifter would not be an asset.
Radar, never heard of a Callaway shifter. Any pix? How much do you want for the old one?
Radar, never heard of a Callaway shifter. Any pix? How much do you want for the old one?
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Grantv, just as I was thinking of putting a bend in mine, you mentioned about short legs. I was browbeaten by my chiropractor to sit closer for my size due to my back problems I had, which can return if I do something dumb. He insisted that my legs have a significant bend. I'm 5'11", so being closer is good for my back, I wonder if the bent shifter would not be an asset.
Radar, never heard of a Callaway shifter. Any pix? How much do you want for the old one?
Radar, never heard of a Callaway shifter. Any pix? How much do you want for the old one?
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If you have access to a C6, try it. You might be pleasantly surprised.
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Pic of my Callaway shifter Hurst handel
All you can see is my moded Hurst pistol grip handle . I think Callaway still makes them for the C-5 not sure I got mine from a friend used they cost around $400.oo not cheap but is the best shifter I ever used I tried them all . Being a builder of custom rides make any kind of shift handle you want and fits you shifting style , Get a slab of Alum. and a pattern and start cutting if you mess up the first one make another , old school ..
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My total cost was less than $50 all up including a new ****, and the die to extend the threads on the stock lever. And I am happy with it. I don't want a heavy or a notchy shift, so no way was I going to spend hundreds of dollars on an aftermarket shifter for an 18, going on 19 year old car, sight unseen as it were.
If you want a benchmark as to how shifters should be, I recommend a drive in an early Miata - short shifts, finger light and no argument about which gear you are in. That was my goal. You can't really get all the way there with a Tremec as they are designed to handle truck like levels of torque, but you can get close.
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Jack, I might give that a try. I'm thinking of putting a bend in mine but if the rubber is still inside that would be a bit too spectacular of an experience for my basement and smoke detectors.
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Yes I make them also . You can bend them some have some rubber in them but I think the stock one are just solid medal and can be headed and bent . I have a stock C-5 one if anybody can use one cheap ,I don't need it .. I hope..