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Gary- I was planning on going to A&A Corvette and see Josh on Friday but we are supposed to get rain. I don't take the Vert out in the rain. So I'm going to go next week. Wish meme luck it gets resolved.
What I dont understand is we can get everything under the sun for any car how can there not Be a resolution. I mean if we completely changed out the brake system according to Josh it wouldn't keep the lights from coming on. How is that possible????
1.) It took something like 70+ hours if I recall from the post. Obviously with the instructions the person posted, an experienced shop could do it in say...half the time. Problem is, that's still 35 hours. At $100/hour for labor, that's a $3,500 upgrade from a shop. Unless you can do it yourself...but still seems like a giant project.
2.) As some on here have posted, now 2001-2004 C5 EBCMs are on national backorder. They have been for months apparently. Who knows if that is temporary or permanent? Imagine if you go to the trouble of upgrading then '01-'04 units aren't available.
Yes, '01-'04 units can sometimes be repaired...but sometimes, they can't.
Obviously, 1999-2000 owners (like myself) are hit disproportionately hard. I just think at this point...all C5 owners have to come to the realization that GM isn't coming to the rescue and eventually, over time, all of us may have broken EBCMs. As time progresses and these cars rack up more hours and miles, more and more owners are experiencing broken EBCMs. Seems like eventually they will all fail and all C5 owners will be SOL.
The only good thing I see coming from this is it would take the decision to buy a pre '01 or post '00 out of the equation. If the ECBM goes bad, it won't matter because you'll be screwed no matter which year model you buy...you might be better off now buying a '01 or newer, but in 5 years will it matter?
Last edited by grampi50; Feb 16, 2017 at 03:07 PM.
St. Jude Donor '14-'15-'16-'17-'18-'19-'20-'21-'22-'23
Originally Posted by Slo Yelo C5
Its a sticky on here. Two problems with it...
1.) It took something like 70+ hours if I recall from the post. Obviously with the instructions the person posted, an experienced shop could do it in say...half the time. Problem is, that's still 35 hours. At $100/hour for labor, that's a $3,500 upgrade from a shop. Unless you can do it yourself...but still seems like a giant project.
2.) As some on here have posted, now 2001-2004 C5 EBCMs are on national backorder. They have been for months apparently. Who knows if that is temporary or permanent? Imagine if you go to the trouble of upgrading then '01-'04 units aren't available.
Yes, '01-'04 units can sometimes be repaired...but sometimes, they can't.
Obviously, 1999-2000 owners (like myself) are hit disproportionately hard. I just think at this point...all C5 owners have to come to the realization that GM isn't coming to the rescue and eventually, over time, all of us may have broken EBCMs. As time progresses and these cars rack up more hours and miles, more and more owners are experiencing broken EBCMs. Seems like eventually they will all fail and all C5 owners will be SOL.
Yes, '01-'04 units can sometimes be repaired...but sometimes, they can't.
Yes the 1255 code is the death code even for these years
Yes, '01-'04 units can sometimes be repaired...but sometimes, they can't.
Yes the 1255 code is the death code even for these years
Do you (or anybody else) know about how frequently (even a rough ballpark estimate) the '01-'04 EBCMs are able to be repaired versus 1255 code (otherwise known as "toast")? Just curious if the '01-'04 EBCM is usually repairable or experiences catastrophic failure just as (or more) frequently.
Do you (or anybody else) know about how frequently (even a rough ballpark estimate) the '01-'04 EBCMs are able to be repaired versus 1255 code (otherwise known as "toast")? Just curious if the '01-'04 EBCM is usually repairable or experiences catastrophic failure just as (or more) frequently.
probably repairable 90% of the time.
Usually a simple matter of touching up solder joints.
We haven't found any 2001-2004)that were non repairable.
The only good thing I see coming from this is it would take the decision to buy a pre '01 or post '00 out of the equation. If the ECBM goes bad, it won't matter because you'll be screwed no matter which year model you buy...you might be better off now buying a '01 or newer, but in 5 years will it matter?
Yes.
Right now the '01-'04 are most desirable because all parts are (or were I should say) readily available. This resulted in a slight premium in price over pre '01 C5s. With the '01-'04 now starting to encounter a lack of available new parts, that price premium may disappear greatly with equivalent mileage, condition, etc.
As for the '01-'04 EBCM, I have no insider knowledge whatsoever, nor have I heard anything official about EBCM manufacturing. However, my guess is that it's very probable, if not highly likely, '01-'04 EBCM production has stopped...entirely. Permanently. Why do I say that? I don't know supply chain or manufacturing well, but I'm pretty familiar with economics.
Generally, 3 factors result in products ceasing production (on a temporary or permanent basis)
1.) Sudden lack of materials necessary to produce item. This doesn't seem like the case...it's just an electronic item. No "special" or "unique" materials necessary to build. Ok, cross that off the list.
2.) A temporary glut in the number of units. This can't be the case. Already, multiple members on here with '01-'04 C5s trying to purchase EBCM and unable to find it anywhere. Ok, so it's not that...
3.) Product no longer justifies production because based on cost/benefit analysis, it's not deemed "worth it" to continue production. Let's see...one random electronic part, good for only one make and model of car, which only includes 3 model years, and all units (of C5) are now 13-16 years old, meaning very limited (speaking in comparative terms) buyer base.
You can all make of that what you will. But it hasn't been produced for what...6+ months? Why shut down a profitable operation for 6+ months unless...it's not so profitable. Based on how corporations operate, I truly believe '01-'04 EBCM production may have run its course and may be a relic of the past.
The '01-'04 C5 owners will be facing the same arduous, uphill battle us '99-'00 owners have been facing since about 2007. It sucks. Looks like all C5s will be ABS, traction control, and active handling-less in the next 5-10 years, after these last working units start to fail. Look at all the posts on here about EBCMs not working over the past 2 years. They're everywhere. Definitely seems like these things have a finite life...and we should all be prepared for the day ours stops working and no replacement is available.
Mine had been replaced by the previous owner, so hopefully I've got some time, but I'm more wondering about getting through MA inspection if the light is on...a lot of times that's an instant fail.
It surprises me that the EBCM we have is unique to the C5 and not out of the GM "parts bin" like so many other parts on this vehicle. You would think that one off of a sedan, Camaro or truck would share the same part number.
Mine had been replaced by the previous owner, so hopefully I've got some time, but I'm more wondering about getting through MA inspection if the light is on...a lot of times that's an instant fail.
I'm surprised no one in here has figured out a way to extinguish the idiot lights associated the EBCM,BCM, and whatever other failures that generate these indications...
Last edited by grampi50; Feb 18, 2017 at 02:59 PM.
I'm surprised no one in here has figured out a way to extinguish the idiot lights associated the EBCM,BCM, and whatever else failures that generate these indications...
I think it's just the "ABS" and some "TC" or "Traction Control" lights that stay lit. Can't you just remove the bulbs in the gauge cluster behind those 2 warning messages?
I think it's just the "ABS" and some "TC" or "Traction Control" lights that stay lit. Can't you just remove the bulbs in the gauge cluster behind those 2 warning messages?
I did some more reading and it appears, at least in MA, you can have the ABS light on, but not the "brake" light on, so at least I will be able to drive the car if those are on.
Let's hope my module doesn't go blooey on me, regardless.
I did some more reading and it appears, at least in MA, you can have the ABS light on, but not the "brake" light on, so at least I will be able to drive the car if those are on.
Let's hope my module doesn't go blooey on me, regardless.
That should be the rule for state inspection in the vast majority of states. A few states have ridiculously stringent guidelines and any lights on in the gauge cluster are an automatic fail (that's a joke--if you ask me).
I live in PA, but I'm just a few miles from the Delaware border. I've looked into the state inspection rules for both states just in case it goes bad on me.
In PA and in Delaware, a lit "Service Brakes" light is a failure in both states (although I've heard in Delaware they sometimes bypass even a "Service Brakes" light as long as the brakes function even minimally on the brake "shaker" machine they use--crazy!). A lit "ABS" light and lit "Traction Control" light are meaningless as neither is considered essential equipment and the car will pass in either state.
I'm sure MA has the same rules. I've heard NH allows Corvettes with broken EBCMs to pass, if that is any consolation.
Right now the '01-'04 are most desirable because all parts are (or were I should say) readily available. This resulted in a slight premium in price over pre '01 C5s. With the '01-'04 now starting to encounter a lack of available new parts, that price premium may disappear greatly with equivalent mileage, condition, etc.
As for the '01-'04 EBCM, I have no insider knowledge whatsoever, nor have I heard anything official about EBCM manufacturing. However, my guess is that it's very probable, if not highly likely, '01-'04 EBCM production has stopped...entirely. Permanently. Why do I say that? I don't know supply chain or manufacturing well, but I'm pretty familiar with economics.
Generally, 3 factors result in products ceasing production (on a temporary or permanent basis)
1.) Sudden lack of materials necessary to produce item. This doesn't seem like the case...it's just an electronic item. No "special" or "unique" materials necessary to build. Ok, cross that off the list.
2.) A temporary glut in the number of units. This can't be the case. Already, multiple members on here with '01-'04 C5s trying to purchase EBCM and unable to find it anywhere. Ok, so it's not that...
3.) Product no longer justifies production because based on cost/benefit analysis, it's not deemed "worth it" to continue production. Let's see...one random electronic part, good for only one make and model of car, which only includes 3 model years, and all units (of C5) are now 13-16 years old, meaning very limited (speaking in comparative terms) buyer base.
You can all make of that what you will. But it hasn't been produced for what...6+ months? Why shut down a profitable operation for 6+ months unless...it's not so profitable. Based on how corporations operate, I truly believe '01-'04 EBCM production may have run its course and may be a relic of the past.
The '01-'04 C5 owners will be facing the same arduous, uphill battle us '99-'00 owners have been facing since about 2007. It sucks. Looks like all C5s will be ABS, traction control, and active handling-less in the next 5-10 years, after these last working units start to fail. Look at all the posts on here about EBCMs not working over the past 2 years. They're everywhere. Definitely seems like these things have a finite life...and we should all be prepared for the day ours stops working and no replacement is available.
if the units are repairable, does it matter if GM still makes them?
The early EBCMs (97-2000) are not repairable.
the later ones are.
I can not understand why folks can't this in their heads.
GM doesn't make C2 and C3 brake calipers anymore, but the old ones are repairable, thus GMs lack of availability is not a problem.
