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Old Feb 24, 2018 | 12:27 AM
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One other possibility is if you have a technical or trade school in your area. Some of these will prep and paint cars as training for the students. You pay for the paint and other materials, and typically the labor costs are free. Yes, the painting is by students, but they are overseen and supervised by instructors. Some of these schools offer 2-4 year programs so they are pretty well versed in the trade by the time they finish.
Some of these shops turn out pretty decent paint jobs, but like any other trade or business, you need to check the quality of their work before you turn your car over to them.
I did this in Orlando many years ago. Think it was a school called Orlando Technical Institute. If I remember correctly, I paid about $75 (in 1966 dollars) for all the materials and got a presentable paint job.
Just another option.
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This is a much better option. This is what I went to college for. While there we did a lot of custom work on cars. A c6z, a few 1st gen camaros, an original hummer, a couple classic British convertibles, etc.

The devil is in the details of the prep work, that is also 80% of what you're charged. I mixed a one-off pearl for my LS swapped Nissan my last semester there. The paint materials ran me $800ish with my discounts. Had I charged for the job prep/paint/labor, it would easily been a $9,000+ job.
Thought I would show some of the cars painted while I was in trade school. Granted we had vettes roll through more than most because we are in Bowling Green.


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Old Feb 24, 2018 | 01:51 AM
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not true; I use all same materials like lets say bondo or "filler", primer, paint, and clear. Use the same tools. pretty much the same only on a slightly smaller scale. look at your front fender, it really isn't that big. now look at the rear fender same thing not that big. the bumpers front and rear are good size, so is the hood, but just do them one at a time. the car comes a part pretty easy, just takes time.
I never said disassemble was different. The actual materials and process are completely different. You aren't guide coating and blocking a rifle stock, you also don't have to be picky on the grit of sand paper, there's no mixing hardeners, fillers (not bondo), etc etc. Clear in a can and 2k clear, primers and the like are not the same.

As said before, any monkey can spray, but not all of them can prep.
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Old Feb 24, 2018 | 10:41 AM
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I a not going to go back and forth with you, but if you would have actually read the last quote. I said I do everything the same as painting a car. Yes I use bondo "filler" to get the stock razor smooth and the edges perfect., then a epoxy primer(sanded if needed, usually needed), then paint(I don't normally color sand but do sometimes) , then clear(sanded from 1000 to 2000), and finally cut and buff. Everything sprayed though hvlp spray guns and really I only use the finish gun because it was the smallest cup and the finest tip. A lot of time involved.

Any how if the op wants macco to paint his car after he does all the prep then have them paint it, I think they would do an all right job. just may need to do some finishing work as well to get it to look better. So might as well paint it yourself. That is all I was trying to say, and that I personally don't think it would that hard, yes a lot of work but do able. Just youtube it and learn how, there will be 10,000,000,000,000,000,000 videos that show you how.
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Old Feb 24, 2018 | 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by BullseyeDave
I a not going to go back and forth with you, but if you would have actually read the last quote. I said I do everything the same as painting a car. Yes I use bondo "filler" to get the stock razor smooth and the edges perfect., then a epoxy primer(sanded if needed, usually needed), then paint(I don't normally color sand but do sometimes) , then clear(sanded from 1000 to 2000), and finally cut and buff. Everything sprayed though hvlp spray guns and really I only use the finish gun because it was the smallest cup and the finest tip. A lot of time involved.

Any how if the op wants macco to paint his car after he does all the prep then have them paint it, I think they would do an all right job. just may need to do some finishing work as well to get it to look better. So might as well paint it yourself. That is all I was trying to say, and that I personally don't think it would that hard, yes a lot of work but do able. Just youtube it and learn how, there will be 10,000,000,000,000,000,000 videos that show you how.
Ok fine, so you use the same products but the 26 square inches of work on a stock is not the same. Just your explanation of comparison shows it's not. I'm all for DIY, but to just say "paint it yourself, it's not that hard" is really misleading. We're talking a difference of a dozen or two hours compared to hundreds or a thousand depending on his ability and results he wants.
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Old Feb 24, 2018 | 03:33 PM
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Block a single body panel can take a day...if you have a lot of experience. And I'm talking a door or trunk lid. I've had big panels like a fiberglass 4th gen camaro ss hood take nearly a week to get straight & satisfactory. And that's before sealer & initial primer gets blocked again.
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Old Feb 24, 2018 | 05:04 PM
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I totally agree it takes forever to get stuff to look good. My least favorite thing to do is spend hour after hour sanding bondo. The OP at some point said he was going to do the prep and have it shot by someone else, all I was saying if your going to take all the time and effort to prep the car,which is the most labor intensive and difficult part of a paint job, you might as well give painting it yourself a shot. For me laying down killer paint is the "gravy" for the hours upon hours of prep you did to make it look perfect. But then I only paint gun stocks so at the end of the day who really cares.

These guys and Moran Freeman are right; Op guy, it is to hard for you or anybody else especially a guy that just paints gun stocks to paint their cars. So if I were you I would even consider trying to it at all, because what these guys and Morgan Freeman are saying is you can't do it because it takes to long and is to hard. So just pay someone better then you to do it.

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Old Feb 24, 2018 | 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by BullseyeDave
I totally agree it takes forever to get stuff to look good. My least favorite thing to do is spend hour after hour sanding bondo. The OP at some point said he was going to do the prep and have it shot by someone else, all I was saying if your going to take all the time and effort to prep the car,which is the most labor intensive and difficult part of a paint job, you might as well give painting it yourself a shot. For me laying down killer paint is the "gravy" for the hours upon hours of prep you did to make it look perfect. But then I only paint gun stocks so at the end of the day who really cares.

These guys and Moran Freeman are right; Op guy, it is to hard for you or anybody else especially a guy that just paints gun stocks to paint their cars. So if I were you I would even consider trying to it at all, because what these guys and Morgan Freeman are saying is you can't do it because it takes to long and is to hard. So just pay someone better then you to do it.

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No one said that you or anyone else can't or shouldn't paint their own stuff, we're saying it's not the walk in the park you're making it out to be. Sanding bondo on a tiny piece of wood that's new (bondo should never be used on a car BTW) is not the same as the sanding required after glaze, primer, sealer, etc etc. Shrinkage, dye back, solvent pop are all things that need to be considered, each paint system has unique requirements for mixing based off weather, sand paper type, base type, etc.

I completely believe that anyone can learn, we're giving the OP the whole piece of the puzzel to determine whether he should or not. Just because he does the "prep" doesn't mean it will be right, all that needs to be taken into account. Not everyone wants to spend the better part of a year or more sanding on a car they can't drive.

Simply saying it's the same though...
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Old Feb 24, 2018 | 06:54 PM
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ROLL EYES ALL YOU WANT JERK OFF. You have no idea who I am or what I do to make the gun stock you so easily dismiss as beneath you. The little wooden stock starts out as a sheet of ply-wood that I make into the stock before I do any kind of finish. I taught myself to do every step of the way. After making more than 100 of the I think I have got pretty good at what I do. When I paint my car this summer I might post pics, if I care. SO WHAT DO YOU DO? LETS SEE SOME PICS OF YOUR WORK. AT LEAST THE OTHER GUY POSTED PICS, YOU JUST TALK CRAP...
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Originally Posted by BullseyeDave
ROLL EYES ALL YOU WANT JERK OFF. You have no idea who I am or what I do to make the gun stock you so easily dismiss as beneath you. The little wooden stock starts out as a sheet of ply-wood that I make into the stock before I do any kind of finish. I taught myself to do every step of the way. After making more than 100 of the I think I have got pretty good at what I do. When I paint my car this summer I might post pics, if I care. SO WHAT DO YOU DO? LETS SEE SOME PICS OF YOUR WORK. AT LEAST THE OTHER GUY POSTED PICS, YOU JUST TALK CRAP...
Caps lock, that'll show me.

FWIW, your stocks look bitchen.






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Old Feb 24, 2018 | 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Shaolin Crane
Caps lock, that'll show me.

FWIW, your stocks look bitchen.






Those are just Mustngs. Anybody can paint a Mustang. Probably easier than a gun stock. Moderator should ban the OP for causing this thread to jump the rails. What a JERK OFF!
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Those are just Mustngs. Anybody can paint a Mustang. Probably easier than a gun stock. Moderator should ban the OP for causing this thread to jump the rails. What a JERK OFF!
Lol, because the fiberglass parts, rust, and metal shrinking that needs to be done is sooooooo much easier.
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since this thread doesnt have enough mustangs and maaco

this is my 95 5.0 that i had maaco completely do:
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i paid $2k for everything it was a base coat and two coats of clear, a tone of body work, and it looked good, it wasnt perfect, but it didnt look like *** either. look at the cars that they have out front that should give you a big indicator of quality.
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Old Feb 25, 2018 | 11:17 AM
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MACCO...too funny, I wouldn't have my kids bike painted there. You get what u pay for.

if your handy, find someone who knows someone and strike a deal, do the prep yourself, buy paint and have them spray it.

I learned myself, im no professional, but I do pretty good now, better than a cheap shop. Buy yourself a decent spray gun and cheap paint and practice, for an above average paint job, its not that hard to learn. Prep and color sand are the hard parts. good luck
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Shaolin thanks I appreciate that. Even though you painted mustangs, they look really good, fox body mustangs are not bad you know: for mustangs.
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Old Feb 25, 2018 | 05:23 PM
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JMO... If your going to do nothing but show your car, a 5-10k paint job would be great, but if you drive your car, it don't take long for rock chips and road debris to ruff it back up. My side skirts I put on and had painted less than a year ago already show how driving is rough on the bottom part of the car. It's just hard to justify that kind of money when what ever you paint it with will show the battle scars eventually.
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Old Feb 25, 2018 | 08:16 PM
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I think we can safely say this thread has meandered more than a tad off course...
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Ya'll need to calm down. Lol

Anyways. I worked very very briefly at a custom body shop. I mainly removed parts or scotch brite'd parts or cleaned around the shop, etc. I had a brief lesson in block sanding and I remember some things. Light pressure, let the block do the work, go with the flow of the panel, stay away from edges, etc.

However, there's a reason I only worked at that shop a few months. One, I wasn't very good at it. Two, I didn't have the patience for it. Three, didn't pay very much. Either way, the only painting they really did was frame off restoration stuff. Sometimes one panel and then blend it to the rest of the car, but most of the time, it was an entire body at once or each individual panel.

Which brings me to another question. These C5's are pretty much all bolt on, right? Minus the glued on rocker panels? The car is my DD. So if I slowly prep it for paint, then disassemble it and take it to a shop to spray all the panels off the car, would it be better to do that vs. having the parts on the car and then painting it? Just a thought. Cuz then I might have en excuse to replace the rockers. Buy new, paint em, then remove old and glue in new. Done deal.

So. Remove all panels and take them to get painted off the car? Or prep entire car, strip/tape up all interior, windows, etc?
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Ya'll need to calm down. Lol

Anyways. I worked very very briefly at a custom body shop. I mainly removed parts or scotch brite'd parts or cleaned around the shop, etc. I had a brief lesson in block sanding and I remember some things. Light pressure, let the block do the work, go with the flow of the panel, stay away from edges, etc.

However, there's a reason I only worked at that shop a few months. One, I wasn't very good at it. Two, I didn't have the patience for it. Three, didn't pay very much. Either way, the only painting they really did was frame off restoration stuff. Sometimes one panel and then blend it to the rest of the car, but most of the time, it was an entire body at once or each individual panel.

Which brings me to another question. These C5's are pretty much all bolt on, right? Minus the glued on rocker panels? The car is my DD. So if I slowly prep it for paint, then disassemble it and take it to a shop to spray all the panels off the car, would it be better to do that vs. having the parts on the car and then painting it? Just a thought. Cuz then I might have en excuse to replace the rockers. Buy new, paint em, then remove old and glue in new. Done deal.

So. Remove all panels and take them to get painted off the car? Or prep entire car, strip/tape up all interior, windows, etc?
What color is it? Might be easier and cheaper to track down the fenders, hood, and bumpers and replace those. Then it's just a matter of the rockers, jambs and roof halo.
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Originally Posted by blackmachdown
since this thread doesnt have enough mustangs and maaco

this is my 95 5.0 that i had maaco completely do:




i paid $2k for everything it was a base coat and two coats of clear, a tone of body work, and it looked good, it wasnt perfect, but it didnt look like *** either. look at the cars that they have out front that should give you a big indicator of quality.
Looks Dam good.

I would suggest if anyone is using Maaco to make sure they are using additives that allow for the paint to expand and contract a small the body panels are composite..

I saw the photos of the black 163k mile corvette..looked awesome..

Just paint the rear trunk lid and maybe have them paint the doors..

See how inexpenxoensively you can get the job done...

Remember it's a ten grand car..don't spend a lot of money on it...

Prep the surfaces the best you can. Tip the guy actually doing the work before he starts ..

And either sell or enjoy your freshly painted car.

Love those wheels

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