Hey Dean,

I am gonna have to agree with the 2 guys above. The ZO6, as far as comfort goes, is almost as comfy as my coupe was.....the only difference being the seats(and some of the "luxury" items stated above). I find the ZO6 seats adequate and definitely comfortable but the sport seats on the coupe were very nice. The ZO6 would be a fine road companion on an extended road trip.....something I'm not sure the Viper could claim(this is a complete ignorant observation since I have never been on a road trip in a Viper). I will agree that the ZO6 might bite someone unsuspecting. But generally is a well mannered machine. Anyway, nice Viper you got there. I am sure it is a beast. I think it is easy for people to say...."....even if I had the money I wouldn't buy one." Bottom line is they don't have the money and I honestly don't think they would know until they had it. The reason I say that is because I have caught myself saying it. But I really wouldn't know until I had that type of disposable income laying around. I am sure the car is a blast to drive.....that is why we drive them.....right???
I also want to say thanks for your professional/civil demeanor. I have read other posts of yours and you always remain level. Just wanted to say it is appreciated when sometimes these types of threads get a little heated.

John

 

TexasRedY2K,

Anti-Slip Regulation (ASR) -GM for traction control.

Coming from a C5 coupe I'm sure that you didn't notice much of a difference (except maybe the power). And since you were already used to a 350HP+ C5 Corvette, then the extra 55HP is probably no biggie.

I was originally thinking of comparing the BMW M3 to the Z06, which shows a bigger difference in "practicality" vs. power than the regular C5 to Z06.

But you missed my point that I don't feel the "loss" of amenities, going to a Viper as much as I feel the gain in power. I'll surely admit that 500HP and 535TQ is too much power for many drivers, just like 405HP and 400TQ is too much for many drivers. The Z06 was designed for a smaller audience of focused performance enthusiasts, and the Viper was designed to appeal to even a smaller group of avid drivers.

C4ForGeeGee,

The Cavalier is 100% Chevrolet too. What does that mean? :confused:
The C5R is vastly different from the production Corvette. Even moreso than the racing Vipers are to the stock Vipers. But the race winning comparison doesn't make any translation over to factory stock production cars at all.

Merely asking the question means that you have most likely never driven a Viper before.
And it's a foregone conclusion that you have never driven an SRT-10 Viper. :yesnod:

Think back to past conversations that you may have had with friends who told you that their supercharged Mustangs, or modded Eclipses, or WRXs were a match for the Corvette. With valid arguments about better economy, practicality, lower cost, etc..

Once you have driven (or better yet owned) a Corvette, you know what the difference is, and why the Corvettes cost more.

It's not saying that modded Mustangs, Eclipses or WRXs aren't great cars, and better suited to those other driver's needs, budget, expectations, and personal preferences.

Having owned a Corvette, I know why I liked the car much more than my previous Mustang (and only part of the reason was superior performance). But having owned a Viper now for almost a year, I know why I prefer it over my previous Corvette.

Having the so-called "best" car is not quite as important as having the car that suits your needs and tastes best.

You're welcome John. I'm a moderator on other forums, so I'm not one to pick fights (except maybe against the occasional rabid troll).
But I think that most people here who know me understand that even though I'm voicing another point of view, I still really like Corvettes, and have as long as I can remember. :cheers:

-Dean.


[Modified by Dean McManis, 2:39 PM 11/4/2002]

 

This is just a pissing match ... :lol: ... both are great cars, most people would love both if they had the moeny ... so why argue ... DESKTOP Racing is for RICERS!

 

This topic has nothing to do with who has how much money :crazy: I Live in Northern Virginia and I have pretty good Money, I just happen to be a wise investor therefore the VIPER is not on my best buy for the sportscar dollar list :lol: Anyone can tell you that the best sportscar in the World is the :chevy CORVETTE for the dollar. Being wealthy does not make you foolish :lol: Some of us achieved wealth from shopping wise :yesnod:

 

Generally, cars are a terrible investment, especially buying new cars. :smash:
Any car that costs over $30K is generally bought for passion more than practicality.
The Viper could cost $50K and many people would still prefer to own the Corvette. :chevy Likewise, I'd want a SRT-10 Viper more than a $130K AMG SL55 even if they cost the same price.
And I wouldn't buy a Z06 simply because there is no convertible version available.

 

wow, quite a discussion going on here. :eek: I dont see a point in arguing data from a Magazine. I believe that the new Viper will beat the Z06 in any test of power and rightfully it should. If you want to beat a Viper instead of just talking about it... then go out and Mod your C5. You will beat more than Vipers and feel damn good about it too.

Remember, Chevy didnt make the C5 to beat the Viper... but you can!! ;)

vetterdstr :cheers:

 

Unless you want to fork over $12K to Carvaggio to make it a convertible.......but it really comes down to 3 things...1) personal preference, 2) Wallet size....(in some cases), and 3) practicality, the Vette is a better daily driver, and much better on gas mileage.... :cheers:

 

I know im going to get beat down for this but, I find it interesting and quite funny that if you changed some of the names from dodge and chevy to ford and chevy some of these arguments are the same ones used against the Mustang Cobra :jester

by the way, to the gentleman that said Ford shut down the production line till they can stop the cobra engines from blowing up, can you point me to where you got that information? As I understand it the only 03 Cobra motors that have gone up in smoke were modded and ill tuned cars. Thanks, Im interested in reading up on that :cheers:

 

no offence but I believe the news blue oval.com posts as much as I believe the weather man.

The owner of that site has a personal grudge against Ford so as far as im concerned even when he says good things about ford I consider him suspect. :jester

And that statement dosnt say anything what so ever about the engines blowing up in stock form as I asked. :cheers:

{edit}
What I have heard is that they had a leak on their intercooler which would be a engine problem but hardly catastrophic.


[Modified by Bishop, 8:36 PM 11/5/2002]

 

I read SVTperformance.com as well as LS1.com (where lots of ford guys post believe it or not) and most of that ive never heard refered to the 03 cobra, earlier cobra's yes but not the 03 but who knows, im not exactly a professor and don't exactly care enough to do that type of search :cheers: ;)

 

I have to reply to some of these post.
Since when was .5 of a second advantage
not significant.Have any of you ever watched
or been to a professional drag race?
The SRT is the faster of the 2 car's and there
is simply no debating it.
It is faster 0-60,1/4 mile and top speed.
Some of you Z06 people need to accept
it.
bhamvett

 

The only thing the Viper has going for it is the V-10 500 hp engine...I also thought about buying one when i was looking at the Z, I just couldn't get past the bumps on the hood, the side looks like a 16year old designed it..The new one, just looks boring :nonod: :chevy :chevy :chevy And yes, i had some Mopars in the past :p:


[Modified by dbvettez06, 9:59 AM 11/6/2002]

 

Snake Bitten,

I’ll believe it when I see it. :rolleyes: I really doubt 125MPH will happpen with a stock Viper. :nono:

I drove my friend’s GTS with bolt ons making 437rwHP/480rwTQ and it’s a nice car :yesnod:, but I still like C5 better :p:

 

Whether you like it or not, a great part of the Viper's appeal is it's style and exclusivity.
I have people smile, wave, and even cheer, when I drive around. It happens almost every single day.
Most everyone knows what a Viper is, and that it's a very fast car.
The celebrity nature of the car is both good and bad, and I doubt that you would get more attention even in a Lamborghini Diablo or Ferrari 360.
And it's nice that the Viper is not just a poser car, with good looks but no real performance. There is no V6 automatic version of the car.
Some people would readily pay the extra $30K just because the car is rare and special, some would pay more than that (see Ferrari 360 Spyder). And others see little value in exclusivity, and would simply choose to own a faster car for the money spent.

That's fine. :cheers:

I'll admit that the Carravagio Z06 convertible is tempting, but most people would think that it was a fake, even though it's cool and rare.

-Dean.

 

The Viper is fine if you enjoy hot feet while driving and your chick friend complaining about how uncomfortable she is in the TANK :lol: Sure it's eyecatching and foot cooking. So please enjoy your SWAMPFOOT :lol:

 

:lol: :lol: :lol:
I can guarantee that nobody would even see a Viper next to a Diablo :lol: (although I absolutely hate the way that space-ship looks :U )

Point is beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
I think C5 looks much better than GenII Viper (never mind SRT :lol: ), but I’m sure a lot of people will disagree and, of course, I won’t waste time on an argument as stupid as that.

Exclusivity also depends on where you live, btw. There’s not that many C5s where I live for example, so I get the same attention you’re describing.

Bottom like, most of the time these arguments on the forum are about performance (just look at the title of this post ;) ), so looks etc. are not very relevant here IMO

 

Some get more from what they know(or think themself),than the judgment's and values made by others. No harm either way when judgeing cars. Trying to get self satisfaction is a strong motivating force. Both way's. I am for it.:) Ric

 

C4ForGeeGee,

IF you are talking about heat issues with the current Vipers, it's not too much of a problem. And you can get high flow cats to make it even cooler. If you are talking about the magazine writer's comments about hot SRT-10s, those were pre-production bugs and should be reasonably cool when the real cars are actually sold.

EuG,

I've been surprised when parking next to Porsche Turbos, Lotuses and Ferrari 355 Spyders to see more people drawn to the Viper.
My comments about the looks of the car (which are of course personal preference) were in response to the remark that there was no reason to buy the Viper outside of the 500HP V10 motor.

-Dean.

 

I find it hard to believe that pissing contests like this exists. The bottom line is that both are great vehicles. I have no heat issues with my '00 RT/10. My feet do not get too hot at all. I find it comfortable. I did not buy the Viper as an everyday car. Would I drive it everyday if possible? HELL YES! Will I accept any challenges from Vette owners? HELL YES. The bottom line is that stock for stock the Viper is FASTER, QUICKER and a better handling car. I may run up against a vette that is S/C or who has an outstanding driver and loose, but that will be the rarity. THE END

 

THE END :cheers: