Hurst short throw shifter
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From: Bugs Bunny should'a made a left turn here
Hope this thread is not to old, but have a few questions. First off I know this is in the C5 area and my questions are about a C6 Z06. I understand that the C5,6 &7 use the same "box" so everything should be relevant.
My '13 has only `16500 mile on it, however in 1st. and 3rd. I have maybe 1/2" play in 2nd. and 4th. a bit less but still quit a bit of "slop". Obviously I wish to minimize that, and I am not wanting to go MGW or any other short throw. So is this box upgrade the way to go? Also I noticed that there is no alignment tool for this box. Is that not a big deal? 2nd. to 3rd. under normal driving conditions hit it 99.99% of the time. Under hard driving maybe 85%, which is no good. I am always looking to improve my car, even if its only small stuff in the long run it all adds up..
Forgot to state my purpose for posting here, is the TMOD the way to go?
My '13 has only `16500 mile on it, however in 1st. and 3rd. I have maybe 1/2" play in 2nd. and 4th. a bit less but still quit a bit of "slop". Obviously I wish to minimize that, and I am not wanting to go MGW or any other short throw. So is this box upgrade the way to go? Also I noticed that there is no alignment tool for this box. Is that not a big deal? 2nd. to 3rd. under normal driving conditions hit it 99.99% of the time. Under hard driving maybe 85%, which is no good. I am always looking to improve my car, even if its only small stuff in the long run it all adds up..
Forgot to state my purpose for posting here, is the TMOD the way to go?
Pro
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From: Windsor, CT
Hope this thread is not to old, but have a few questions. First off I know this is in the C5 area and my questions are about a C6 Z06. I understand that the C5,6 &7 use the same "box" so everything should be relevant.
My '13 has only `16500 mile on it, however in 1st. and 3rd. I have maybe 1/2" play in 2nd. and 4th. a bit less but still quit a bit of "slop". Obviously I wish to minimize that, and I am not wanting to go MGW or any other short throw. So is this box upgrade the way to go? Also I noticed that there is no alignment tool for this box. Is that not a big deal? 2nd. to 3rd. under normal driving conditions hit it 99.99% of the time. Under hard driving maybe 85%, which is no good. I am always looking to improve my car, even if its only small stuff in the long run it all adds up..
Forgot to state my purpose for posting here, is the TMOD the way to go?
My '13 has only `16500 mile on it, however in 1st. and 3rd. I have maybe 1/2" play in 2nd. and 4th. a bit less but still quit a bit of "slop". Obviously I wish to minimize that, and I am not wanting to go MGW or any other short throw. So is this box upgrade the way to go? Also I noticed that there is no alignment tool for this box. Is that not a big deal? 2nd. to 3rd. under normal driving conditions hit it 99.99% of the time. Under hard driving maybe 85%, which is no good. I am always looking to improve my car, even if its only small stuff in the long run it all adds up..
Forgot to state my purpose for posting here, is the TMOD the way to go?
But with those bushings I mention above, that will be a much needed improvement.
Racer
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From: Saint Louis
I went to TMOD's website and from the looks of the pictures when you click on the Z06 "box" the bushings look like they are metal? I long as I was tearing apart the counsel to put the upgraded box in, I was planning on adding the lower bushing too. My only concern was that the TMOD box does not use an alignment pin/tool. Any comments on how difficult it was to get the new box aligned properly?
Pro
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From: Windsor, CT
Correct, Z06 boxes use metal bushings from the factory for a more direct mount.
It's not difficult to align/adjust the shifter. I got it on my first try. In fact there's a detailed write up in this thread from TMOD on how to do it. It's a lot of words, but in practice just takes a few seconds to set it, check it, and tweak if needed.
It's not difficult to align/adjust the shifter. I got it on my first try. In fact there's a detailed write up in this thread from TMOD on how to do it. It's a lot of words, but in practice just takes a few seconds to set it, check it, and tweak if needed.
Racer
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From: Saint Louis
I have decided to go with the TMOD box for my Z06. Just a few observations here.
Removing the box no big deal, removing the console what a PITA. The connectors to the cigarette lighter and the traction control button are very difficult to get loose. Especially the traction control button.
After I removed the "box" I noticed that my car has rubber bushing grommets for attaching the box to the torque tube? I purchased this car new and am the only owner of it so I know the box has never been out.
I went to the GM Part online site and looked up the box and it shows a picture of the same box with the rubber grommets. The list of cars it fits goes back to the 2006 model? Maybe GM changed the box sometime during production? My car is a December of 2012 build date.
So the service I have received from Tom has been excellent. I hope this is all worth the time, we will see, I know a lot of owners love the MGW setup, but I don't want a "short throw" shifter. So the TMOD was the only option left. Anyway my box is off to Cali for an upgrade I will report back in a few weeks when I get the "upgraded" box back and have had a chance to drive it a bit.
Removing the box no big deal, removing the console what a PITA. The connectors to the cigarette lighter and the traction control button are very difficult to get loose. Especially the traction control button.
After I removed the "box" I noticed that my car has rubber bushing grommets for attaching the box to the torque tube? I purchased this car new and am the only owner of it so I know the box has never been out.
I went to the GM Part online site and looked up the box and it shows a picture of the same box with the rubber grommets. The list of cars it fits goes back to the 2006 model? Maybe GM changed the box sometime during production? My car is a December of 2012 build date.
So the service I have received from Tom has been excellent. I hope this is all worth the time, we will see, I know a lot of owners love the MGW setup, but I don't want a "short throw" shifter. So the TMOD was the only option left. Anyway my box is off to Cali for an upgrade I will report back in a few weeks when I get the "upgraded" box back and have had a chance to drive it a bit.
Running Guns & Moonshine
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From: CT
Be sure to grab some grease for the end of the shifter itself. I like the pack the black puck well and move it around as well as get the upper part of the shaft where it goes into the shift handle. I am running an old BPP on my coupe for example and it was pretty hard to shift at first. Two weeks later and it moves like butter.
Pro
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From: Windsor, CT
I have decided to go with the TMOD box for my Z06. Just a few observations here.
Removing the box no big deal, removing the console what a PITA. The connectors to the cigarette lighter and the traction control button are very difficult to get loose. Especially the traction control button.
After I removed the "box" I noticed that my car has rubber bushing grommets for attaching the box to the torque tube? I purchased this car new and am the only owner of it so I know the box has never been out.
I went to the GM Part online site and looked up the box and it shows a picture of the same box with the rubber grommets. The list of cars it fits goes back to the 2006 model? Maybe GM changed the box sometime during production? My car is a December of 2012 build date.
So the service I have received from Tom has been excellent. I hope this is all worth the time, we will see, I know a lot of owners love the MGW setup, but I don't want a "short throw" shifter. So the TMOD was the only option left. Anyway my box is off to Cali for an upgrade I will report back in a few weeks when I get the "upgraded" box back and have had a chance to drive it a bit.
Removing the box no big deal, removing the console what a PITA. The connectors to the cigarette lighter and the traction control button are very difficult to get loose. Especially the traction control button.
After I removed the "box" I noticed that my car has rubber bushing grommets for attaching the box to the torque tube? I purchased this car new and am the only owner of it so I know the box has never been out.
I went to the GM Part online site and looked up the box and it shows a picture of the same box with the rubber grommets. The list of cars it fits goes back to the 2006 model? Maybe GM changed the box sometime during production? My car is a December of 2012 build date.
So the service I have received from Tom has been excellent. I hope this is all worth the time, we will see, I know a lot of owners love the MGW setup, but I don't want a "short throw" shifter. So the TMOD was the only option left. Anyway my box is off to Cali for an upgrade I will report back in a few weeks when I get the "upgraded" box back and have had a chance to drive it a bit.
Hopefully you ordered the shifter bushing for the $20 or so bucks as well. That's what will eliminate a lot of that side to side slop. I have an extra can sell you if you need it. The MGW uses its own bushing so the TMOD one won't work for me.
Running Guns & Moonshine
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From: CT
Bushing? Or do you mean gasket between the shifter and tub?
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Pro
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From: Windsor, CT
Shipped my spare box to TMod of couple weeks ago. From CT to CA and back only took a week. Impressive turnaround!
My first impression is that the box is tighter, less sloppy. I'm also able to hit reverse easier, not sure how the box helped with that, but it's a nice bonus. Shifter alignment was simple, nailed it on the first try. I did have a spare box to visually look at to aid in this though, but without that it shouldn't be a problem anyway. I went with Poly torque tube bushings (the softest option) and it's a definite improvement over the absolutely worn out rubber ones that were on it. I do have a ton of NVH feedback from the shifter, but I'm highly suspicious my motor mounts and Tranny mount are original and very tired. All on all, I'm happy with the TMod box.
My first impression is that the box is tighter, less sloppy. I'm also able to hit reverse easier, not sure how the box helped with that, but it's a nice bonus. Shifter alignment was simple, nailed it on the first try. I did have a spare box to visually look at to aid in this though, but without that it shouldn't be a problem anyway. I went with Poly torque tube bushings (the softest option) and it's a definite improvement over the absolutely worn out rubber ones that were on it. I do have a ton of NVH feedback from the shifter, but I'm highly suspicious my motor mounts and Tranny mount are original and very tired. All on all, I'm happy with the TMod box.
Pro
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From: Windsor, CT
https://tmodcustoms.com/products/tmo...hifter-bushing
This is a much better option over the stock one. Don't need it for the MGW however.
This is a much better option over the stock one. Don't need it for the MGW however.
Melting Slicks
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From: Orange County, CA
I have decided to go with the TMOD box for my Z06. Just a few observations here.
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After I removed the "box" I noticed that my car has rubber bushing grommets for attaching the box to the torque tube? I purchased this car new and am the only owner of it so I know the box has never been out.
I went to the GM Part online site and looked up the box and it shows a picture of the same box with the rubber grommets. The list of cars it fits goes back to the 2006 model? Maybe GM changed the box sometime during production? My car is a December of 2012 build date.
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After I removed the "box" I noticed that my car has rubber bushing grommets for attaching the box to the torque tube? I purchased this car new and am the only owner of it so I know the box has never been out.
I went to the GM Part online site and looked up the box and it shows a picture of the same box with the rubber grommets. The list of cars it fits goes back to the 2006 model? Maybe GM changed the box sometime during production? My car is a December of 2012 build date.
Running Guns & Moonshine
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From: CT
Also, if you missed it, for two minutes there I was almost going to swap up to the C7 Mini Mantis for using that knuckle and C7Z brakes.... But I somehow lucked into a used AP set instead.
Racer
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From: Saint Louis
Actually it's a 2013, but did notice that the C6 replacement boxes listed on GM parts catalogue shows all C6 shifters with the rubber bushings. Tom offered to put the Delrin bushings in and I opted to go with solids. Maybe a bit stiff but noticed before I took out my old box it was able to move a bit on the torque tube. I believe GM is/was using the same box design for C5,6 & 7's. I'm assuming they got complaints abut the feed back through the stick and opted to go rubber, or just got lazy and didn't want to make a different box for the base cars and the Z cars. Less parts to stock. Probably a bean counter move to save a few cents per car.
I asked Tom about grease and he said he included that with upgraded box and bushing.
I asked Tom about grease and he said he included that with upgraded box and bushing.