c5 EBCM
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If someone makes a replacement EBCM, it's on the manufacturere to make it work correctly, and if it fails, they could potentially be open to liability.
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whether bosch holds a patent has nothing to do with the liability a third party making a replacement would potentially have.
If someone makes a replacement EBCM, it's on the manufacturer to make it work correctly, and if it fails, they could potentially be open to liability.
If someone makes a replacement EBCM, it's on the manufacturer to make it work correctly, and if it fails, they could potentially be open to liability.
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And yet a case cant be made for not keeping a needed safety device available? Would think a case could be made" I could have stopped but my ABS is inactive and GM wont sell a replacement part". Can work it both ways I would think.
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As an ex vehicle design engineer, you are dead right. No small company in their right mind would try to produce an EBCM. One accident that lawyers (good ethical people that they are...) could tie to the replacement EBCM and you would be out of business at best. In jail at worst.
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The brakes still work, you just lose antilock. Seems in your hypo it's your fault for driving a car you knew didn't have antilock, and not being better prepared to handle it.
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The pre-2001 EBCM were made by Bosh, The reason they have not made a production run is GM has not placed an order for them. SEMA has a newer testing facility near the Bosh US headquarters and has been able to have several items made from them and other OEM's on specialty runs for different car makes. However, the C5 Corvette EBCM was not used on other cars although a few GM models were thought to be using it. Last winter I went on CF and other forums to find out is any other cars used that module and did not receive one usable answer. Some suggested a Buick or Cadiillac used it but never a year(s) or specific module. If we could get an accurate and verifiable count I could go to SEMA and see if they could influence a production run.
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Yellow, if you were so inclined you could MAKE a replacement visor. How perfect it would be depends on how much time and effort you want to put into it.
In the case of computer parts, you can't. Right now it is a practical impossibility to make old computer chips. The equipment is too expensive and companies often have not released the relevant information (drawings and computer code).
If Bosch/GM would release the information (board layout and any needed computer code) it might be possible to repair a malfunctioning board with modern components. People have done that for old boards in other industries.
We would still have to figure out how to dissolve the encapsulant without destroying the rest of the components.
In the case of computer parts, you can't. Right now it is a practical impossibility to make old computer chips. The equipment is too expensive and companies often have not released the relevant information (drawings and computer code).
If Bosch/GM would release the information (board layout and any needed computer code) it might be possible to repair a malfunctioning board with modern components. People have done that for old boards in other industries.
We would still have to figure out how to dissolve the encapsulant without destroying the rest of the components.
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whether bosch holds a patent has nothing to do with the liability a third party making a replacement would potentially have.
If someone makes a replacement EBCM, it's on the manufacturere to make it work correctly, and if it fails, they could potentially be open to liability.
If someone makes a replacement EBCM, it's on the manufacturere to make it work correctly, and if it fails, they could potentially be open to liability.
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There are several off-the-shelf chips, caps, and I believe vrm that are super easy to replace. The issue is that on pre '01, it's all dipped in an encapsulant, and no one has figured out how to dissolve all of that without destroying the board.
IT's also why '01 and newer can be fixed *in some instances*. it's not dipped in encapsulant (or not all of it is coated) If the issue is a broken trace, a dead cap, or something similar, it can be fixed. But if for some reason the eprom is dead, the post '01 is just as unfixable as the pre '01.
But again, it's been said many many times, ebcm issues are few and far between. it's a far overstated issue.
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Can you ask them what the minimum order and price per unit is? At least we would have an idea of how much money it's going to take.
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What year and model cars used the same EBCM example would be 1998 Cadillac Seville, 1999 Buick LaSabre, etc ( those were not actual models that had the same EBCM but an exmple of the data we would need)
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This, ultimatly, is the real issue.
There are several off-the-shelf chips, caps, and I believe vrm that are super easy to replace. The issue is that on pre '01, it's all dipped in an encapsulant, and no one has figured out how to dissolve all of that without destroying the board.
IT's also why '01 and newer can be fixed *in some instances*. it's not dipped in encapsulant (or not all of it is coated) If the issue is a broken trace, a dead cap, or something similar, it can be fixed. But if for some reason the eprom is dead, the post '01 is just as unfixable as the pre '01.
But again, it's been said many many times, ebcm issues are few and far between. it's a far overstated issue.
There are several off-the-shelf chips, caps, and I believe vrm that are super easy to replace. The issue is that on pre '01, it's all dipped in an encapsulant, and no one has figured out how to dissolve all of that without destroying the board.
IT's also why '01 and newer can be fixed *in some instances*. it's not dipped in encapsulant (or not all of it is coated) If the issue is a broken trace, a dead cap, or something similar, it can be fixed. But if for some reason the eprom is dead, the post '01 is just as unfixable as the pre '01.
But again, it's been said many many times, ebcm issues are few and far between. it's a far overstated issue.
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GM Parts Direct listing says only used on 98, 99, 2000 Corvettes. Same for the version without active handling. Looking at Chevrolet's website directly, and Napa, Advance Auto, Autozone, and Oreilly I don't see the module at all. Even Rock Auto doesn't list it, the closest they have is the 97 version.
What do you want a count of?
Can you ask them what the minimum order and price per unit is? At least we would have an idea of how much money it's going to take.
What do you want a count of?
Can you ask them what the minimum order and price per unit is? At least we would have an idea of how much money it's going to take.
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I believe part of the problem is many, and I'll go so far as to say most, don't brake hard enough, or drive on slippery roads often enough (winter stored cars) to activate the antilock feature. This may lead to the pump freezing up. Like many things electrical and mechanical, if you dont use it, you may lose it.......
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I believe part of the problem is many, and I'll go so far as to say most, don't brake hard enough, or drive on slippery roads often enough (winter stored cars) to activate the antilock feature. This may lead to the pump freezing up. Like many things electrical and mechanical, if you dont use it, you may lose it.......
the main reason I bought a Tech2, to do the autobleed on the brake system, did my 99 every 10,000 miles. drove it 70,k with no issues ??
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My auto mechanic removed the EBCM and tells me it was burnt (he took it apart). I was not there, so i can't verify. Have been pursuing the used part route. People are generally looking for $2500 or more. On a couple of attempts at actually buying a used EBCM, they have also been burned out. People have been putting these up for sale in unusable condition.
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I believe part of the problem is many, and I'll go so far as to say most, don't brake hard enough, or drive on slippery roads often enough (winter stored cars) to activate the antilock feature. This may lead to the pump freezing up. Like many things electrical and mechanical, if you dont use it, you may lose it.......