Don't they make that famous Cup'O Noodles also! :rofl:

 

I never said the 350Z sucks. Read back earlier in the thread and you'll see what I said. I said its a good car for the money, but its not in the same league as the Z06. And for $15k less than a Z06, I don't expect it to be in the same league as a Z06.

Watch what?? :confused: You must mean my rearview when passing a 350Z! :D

Z06's don't cost $56k! Not even close! Mine stickered at just under $51k, and I paid about $47k. Unlike the 350Z, you can get discounts below sticker on the Z06.

A few grand??? :confused: A few grand means $2-3k. You'll need a lot more dough than that to get a 350Z to take out a Z06 in the quarter. About the only thing I can think of that *might* do it is a 250 shot of nitrous. And I've got news for you: the VQ35 motor isn't going to last too long with 250 shots going through it :lol: Oh, and that tranny doesn't seem to be able to handle the stock 287 hp too well, much less 530, which would turn that tranny into metallic soup in an instant, a la Cuisinart.

Then after all that, you back to your Nissan dealer to have it fixed, and guess what? You're not covered by the warranty anymore!!! :lol: I can flog my Z06 all day long, eating 350Z's for snacks along the way, and if it breaks (which it probably won't because it was made for this), I simply call up the dealer and say 'fix it', and its done! There's a lot of power in a warranty. You'll learn that as you get older. :yesnod:

Well, its good you have a sense of humor, because the 350Z's performance is laughable compared to the Z06. You're really making a big mistake trying to compare the two. You'll find yourself endlessly frustrated trying to get the 350Z to even equal the Z06's performance for under the price of a Z06 while maintaining full warranty and emissions. In fact, you'll find it impossible!

 

A couple of points:

1) As a 350Z driver, I am quite happy with my car. It's not a Z06, it's not a C5, hell it's not even an LS1 F-body. Straight-line speed, I think it's most comparable to an LT-1 F-body. As far as handling goes, it's quite competent. The 350Z is really a jack of all trades but master of none, as is the case with most Japanese cars these days.

2) I came out the door $30K incl. TT&L for my Enthusiast model which lacks only the stability control, Brembo brakes, and 18" lightweight forged rims of the Track model. My 350Z was less expensive than a no-option 2002 Trans Am!

3) I love Vettes and my next car will *definitely* be a C6. However, where does one draw the line for car bashing? You always see LS1 >> LT1 on the F-body boards, Z06 >> C5 here, Z06 >> ZR-1, domestic >> import, etc. Seriously, we're all car enthusiasts, and we need not bash each other down all the time. Yeah, I think any 350Z (or any stock import) owner who claims to put 5 car lengths on a Z06 off a 40 punch is full of crack and needs to go back to jr. high school.

4) The only Japanese car that *might* force GM to raise the bar is the upcoming 2005 (?) Infiniti GT-R, aka R35 Skyline GT-R. Supposedly, it's going to be based on the FM platform, be a 2+2 coupe with new bodywork, and have a twin-turbo VQ35DE V-6 engine. Not sure of the power output, but I don't think > 380 HP is unreasonable. As for cost, I am totally impressed with Nissan's ability to share platforms, parts, and engines. The new GT-R should come in well under $50K. Nissan shouldn't disappoint with this car; remember, the Skyline has just as much of a cult following in Japan as the Corvette does here in the US.

Yeah, I might be a sell-out, but after a blown alternator (37k mi), broken window regulator (40k), pop-up headlights with a mind of their own, and an intake manifold oil leak (50k) on my 97 Firebird, I needed a break from the relationship with my service manager. I'll come back to GM in a few years when they get the bugs with the C6 wrinkled out.

 

Regarding warranty, I am 99% Corvette owners and 350Z owners have the same problem -- you're taking a high-precision machine in to a service department that's more accustomed to working on Cavaliers or Sentras than a C5/350Z. S2000 owners have had this problem for quite some time; as you might know, their rear ends seem to be made out of balsa wood and blow up very easily. Honda dealerships often tell these folks T.S. when they come in for warranty.

As a first year car, the 350Z has its share of bugs. Grease streaks on windows, front tire feathering/cupping, and transmission grinding are all problems. They'll get fixed in '04. OTOH, these problems are small potatoes compared to the '97 C5 -- faulty fuel pump, disintegrating magnesium wheels, column lock, and locked up rear ends at highway speeds. Yikes!

FWIW, I don't really plan on modding my 350Z beyond anything simple like a cold air induction or catback exhaust. The engine is already waaaay strung out and optimized. I'd say I could get 300 HP N.A. at most. I don't think the LS6 is too far behind in terms of optimization either; there are really no big gains to be had until you go NO2, forced induction, or internal mods.

 

I hope you don't take this too seriously. Bashing each others cars, I hope is done in fun. Because like I said previously, they ALL make :cool: cars and they all have their good and not so good features. Hell, you can find things wrong with anything if you try hard enough. OK, I'm done lets move on. :rant: :yawn:

And now lets have a :grouphug:

 

Actually, another 50hp can be had from the LS6 with just headers, intake, exhaust, injectors and PCM tuning. Not bad for just bolt-ons from an engine that is supposedly already 'optimized'.

 

I simply call up the dealer and say 'fix it', and its done! There's a lot of power in a warranty. You'll learn that as you get older. :yesnod:

Well, its good you have a sense of humor, because the 350Z's performance is laughable compared to the Z06. You're really making a big mistake trying to compare the two. You'll find yourself endlessly frustrated trying to get the 350Z to even equal the Z06's performance for under the price of a Z06 while maintaining full warranty and emissions. In fact, you'll find it impossible! [/QUOTE]
Dude, you are too angry...really. Never would I think that a stock 350z will run down a Z06. All I am saying is that people should not discount the 350Z on the street. "97Firehawk" seems to be a bit more down to earth. Are you so angry b/c you missed a gear, and a 350z beat you or something? I am sorry for what ever set you off. You are generating a bunch of talk on 350Z forums about all the bashing. Your entitled to your opinions and test reports and such, but really, does it make that much difference in your life, if you did loose to a 350Z? Do you feel that much better about your self if you ran a 350z and won. Tell you what, Come over and run me, you will win , and the world will be a better place with another happy driver who just had to prove his point. :cheers:

 

Not angry. On the contrary, I'm having fun with your naive comments. Aren't you having fun? If not, maybe you shouldn't hang out here.

I know that, but you made the comment that with just a few grand in mods, the 350Z could be a real threat. That's the one that pushed a few buttons. There is no stock vs. stock argument.

Well, why the hell not? I see a 350Z on the street, and I discount it. If a 350Z revved at me at a light I would look over at him and laugh. Now if he actually had the $20k+ in mods it would take for him to beat me, and he did, then hey more power to him. If he thinks he has the better car/deal, whatever, fine let him think that. I could care less. I'm happy with my car and don't need to prove it to anyone. And I'm fully aware that the Z06 isn't for everyone. Its also not the fastest car on the street. There will always be faster cars out there, stock and not stock. I can live with that. Some people can't...

Oh, and don't forget something: I've got the 350Z's cousin car on order: the G35 Coupe with the 6 speed. So obviously, I think pretty highly of the car. I just will never view it as a Z06 replacement or anything close to it. In fact, it will serve as my daily driver, while the Z06 will remain my weekend toy.

 

There's no comparison between a Z06 and a 350z. Be realistic. The 350Z is better compared to a Mustang Cobra. But a Z06? Come on. :rolleyes:

 

That's it. Anger management for you. Now let's move on. End of discussion. All done. :nopity

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Well what fun is that? Now there's nothing to discuss, the thread is dead, and its boring! :lol: :lolg:

 

HOLEY CRIKEY, I've caused an incident, now I feel bad! :crazy: :eek: :leaving:

 

yeah, if only there would be more women driving 350z's. Haven't seen one yet. Though I think it would also be nice to see a woman drive a Z06 for that matter.

 

The 350Z is a performance/style value of its price range $26-$35k just as the Z06 is a performance/style value in its $47-$54k price range. The 350Z Track is a scaled/Japanese version of the Z06!!! Having said that in straight-line battles I hope 350Z owners are not even thinking about picking on newer MY C5s. Those guys have enough to worry about, such as trying to pull convincingly from: '03 Accord V6 6-spd. coupes, '02/'03 Maxima 6-spds., Neon SRT-4s, STis, EVOs, G35 Coupes, Acura CL Type S 6-spds, and '99+ Mustang GT 5-spds.