I agree about tickets being more about revenue than safety. I have really started to notice lately that I see more cops out at the end of the month. I don't know if the quota thing is true, but it sure seems like it.

What is a shame is that I have more scares on the road b/c of slow drivers than fast drivers. Slow drivers are the real liability if you ask me.
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What if your windows would not have rolled up? (Concept) :flag

 

While I agree that LEO's should be respected, I have to add that not all laws are just, and many have not been inforced in years.

In Ga. thier are many laws outlawing certian types of sex, I won't get into the specifics but lets say many normal heterosexual men on this forum would be felons in Ga. Additionally (Not that window tint rises to lthe level of this comaprison but anyway) This Country was founded because we refused to follow all of England decrees, For example feedom of religion or from religion.

Also 3 words BOSTON TEA PARTY. this tint thing is nothing but a tax.

I do see your point about changing laws not complaingin about them but you know what I have tried this approach and with no repley. Last Time we treid to change the laws and tax system resulted in the American Revolution. Well I see us as the Americans, the gov't as England and the Leos as the Red Coats, just doing thier job :cheers:

 

Knock On Wood!

I got a ticket almost a year ago...not in the vette. In a PT Cruiser of all things - helping a friend out - driving the car to the shop.

Go figure!

 

I agree there are some laws that have not been enforced in years but, they are still laws that can be enforced. You have to remember that. As far as freedom of religion from England goes, re-read your history. And the Boston Tea Party wasn't as big as history makes it sound. Do that today and it would hardly get noticed in the newspaper. It's shame you don't see the Officer safety issue with regards to tint. Every stop has the potential to be be that Officer's last. I encourage you to go on a ride along with your local law enforcement agency. Maybe then you would change your mind.

I'll give you this....a warning ticket that turns into a fine after lets say, five warnings about tint. But to make it happen you need to get with your state reps.

 

Perhaps The Boston Tea Party would not make news today, that does not change the validity of what they did or why they did it. WE the Colonies were nothing but a revunue generator for England.

As far as riding along with LEOs as I said two of my best friends are soon to be retired NYPD officers. Perhaps some leos need to be in the drivers seat so they can see what that is like :) . I dont't buy that analogy and I seriously doubt I would be welcome on a ride along.

As for the safty issue I said I somewhat agree, but you know what being a Cop is a dangerous occupation, if you see every stop as life threating mabye you (or leos who) should consider another line of work. I would not consider being an Iron worker if I were afraid of hieghts :skep:

AS for laws on the books that are not enforced we agree

:D But may a pose the question why legislators on both the State and Federal level keep adding more and more laws???? When someone uses a firearm illegally I often hear thats why we need Gun control. Well hell no, thats why they should enforce the current gun laws. There are plenty

As for calling your reps, I have, and have yet to get a response from a single one. Two weeks ago I called both my State rep , and State Senator to ask why the hell the state still had not passed a budget with five days left in sesion and gov't programs no longer paying thier bills, No return call just a Ga, state student interning who did not even know his rep was on the appropraitions commitiee, or that there were 5 days left in session. Ghee a 40 day session and a years salary, not bad for not being at you office or the State capital, mabye Golf :mad

I have and continue to lobby the system, but nowone cares, and neither Kerry nor Bush are "of the people or for the people". Money thats the bottom line, you want into Politcs you better have some, someone like you or me would ever stand a chance at a state rep or state senate postion unless we belonded to the RIGHT party and had Bucks. Corporations own both partys. The Phamacuetical Companys own at least half of each!!!

Independent thinkers who are not slaves and owned by a political party have no chance and you know what most Americans are free thinkers.

Last thought and this is way beyond the orginal window tint thing, sorry. I watched a program where a group of yound new leos were brought to the National Holocust Museum in Washington. After the tour the Instructor brought up the point of When as a person are you to question the morallity or virture of what you have been told to do??? His point after all was, while the German Police were rounding up Jews prior to the Army also stepping in. Should they have Questioned what they did, Iam sure some did but hey they were just doing thier job. You may say that can never happen again, I think not. It waswhat 50, 60 years ago, my father served in WWII. Piont being it wasn't 200 years ago. What about slavery prior to the Civil War that was Legal. I guess if the Gov't said it was Ok to own someone else then it must be OK. after all they were just making it safer for use all, couldn't have slave running around free wouldn't be safe.

Very exteme example, I admit, but my point is sometimes you have to say NO I am not doing it even if it is my job.

Blind Faith in your Gov't is danderous. What happens 200 years from now when there are 8 millions laws on the books, I guess the gov't we be able to select who the persicute????

Leos have to think for themselves and be people. Not just do whatever they are told because its thier Job. :mad

I apoligize for my extreme examples, I mean no offense, and I hold no animosity toward Leos. I just am getting older and realize you can't chjange the world, but that doesn't mean I have to go along and can't respectfully disagree.

Sorry if I offended anyone, just wanted to make everyone think :reddevil

 

I have had my Z for 3 1/2 years and received my first ticket after about 33 months doing about 90 in a 70. I had just slowed from about 110, so was fortunate, I guess. The $173 ticket comes out to less than $1 for every trip over 100 MPH, so by that standard it was well worth it. Good common sense should eliminate 95% of your tickets, but with radar and some of their tactics, if you speed regularly, eventually you WILL get caught - detector or not. :steering:

 

Nope, I do not have to remove the tint. It's a $63 fine and NO points on the license, just a way to make $$ for the LEO's. If I get caught again, then it's just another $63 fine. Nothing new... I just consider it the price to pay for the tint I want to have on my car. If I want to avoid the $63 fine, then I would have to remove the tint within 30 days, drive to the local PD (MUST be county) after making an appointment so they can sign an affidavit proving I have legal tint. Yeah, and I'm sure the officer is gonna' run right out to check it to. haha For the kind of money I make... easier to pay the $63 to keep them happy. Oh well, better than giving to the local police chapter. When they call, I will let them know I've already given this year. hahaha

 

Change things? Like they are going to change this statute? This is what I was pulled over for:

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316.610 Safety of vehicle; inspection.--It is a violation of this chapter for any person to drive or move, or for the owner or his or her duly authorized representative to cause or knowingly permit to be driven or moved, on any highway any vehicle or combination of vehicles which is in such unsafe condition as to endanger any person or property, or which does not contain those parts or is not at all times equipped with such lamps and other equipment in proper condition and adjustment as required in this chapter, or which is equipped in any manner in violation of this chapter, or for any person to do any act forbidden or fail to perform any act required under this chapter.

(1) Any police officer may at any time, upon reasonable cause to believe that a vehicle is unsafe or not equipped as required by law, or that its equipment is not in proper adjustment or repair, require the driver of the vehicle to stop and submit the vehicle to an inspection and such test with reference thereto as may be appropriate.

(2) In the event the vehicle is found to be in unsafe condition or any required part or equipment is not present or is not in proper repair and adjustment, and the continued operation would probably present an unduly hazardous operating condition, the officer may require the vehicle to be immediately repaired or removed from use. However, if continuous operation would not present unduly hazardous operating conditions, that is, in the case of equipment defects such as tailpipes, mufflers, windshield wipers, marginally worn tires, the officer shall give written notice to require proper repair and adjustment of same within 48 hours, excluding Sunday.

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Nice little catch-all law they have there. Has nothing to do with protecting the police AT ALL. So, back to the issue you bring up about "not complaining" and "giving them a reason", etc, etc... I DIDN'T give them a reason, that was my whole point. It's was this guys decision to pull me over based on the car I was driving, nothing else... next you will be saying that officers don't profile. lol

Whatever... I have the right to complain about the law just like you have the right to your opinion. The reason I posted was to make others aware of what happened to me, isn't that what this forum is about? We are so far off ZO6 topics here it's not even funny...

And lastly, the comment about playing games with a guy who has a gun in his holster really cracks me up. You don't think he was playing games with me by pulling me over for "illegal tint" when my side windows were rolled down? I've been on plenty of ride alongs, trust me... I have officer blood in me from my relatives (Uncle and cousin) and both of them talk about how much of a waste this guy was and actually they said that he was "giving them a bad name" and that they liked my "read and wait" tactic cause they hate standing there too. The funny thing is that they took more offense to your comment about ". I'm certainly not going to play games with a person that has a gun in their holster." as if they would use that for any INAPPROPRIATE means. Whatever, I'm done with this topic... when it comes to illegal tint on windows that are rolled down, it's all about the $$, nothing else... and I have two officers that agree with me.

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[Modified by zo6fun, 1:59 AM 4/18/2004]

 

Well, all I can say then is stand by your principles. For me, I will obey this law and keep my money in my pocket. It's not that big of a deal, but paying a fine is a big deal to me. So I prefer to do what the law says to do. This way I can continue the privilege of driving without giving the city any more of my hard earned cash.


[Modified by Shylor, 4:23 AM 4/18/2004]

 

:cheers: :cheers: You certainly have a piont and are correct. I also respect you for understanding the leos point of view. You are most probalbly wiser than I, unfortunatly I am becoming very cynical and I realize it. truthfully I may just be getting tired of fighting what I am starting to consider a losing battle. That is actually being able to be heard.

Thank you for your opinions and being kind enough to listen and respond :thumbs: