[Z06] Heads/cam opinions...???
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Drifting
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Heads/cam opinions...???
What are the typical head/cam combinations that work well with the Z06?
I will have: long tubes, halltech, stingers, hurst...
I'm not too worried about a lumpy idle (it seems this is the "streetability" issue?).
Can someone list the different "packages" that work well and the pros/cons/costs/where to buy? This way I can line them all up and decide from there!
Thanks in advance!
I will have: long tubes, halltech, stingers, hurst...
I'm not too worried about a lumpy idle (it seems this is the "streetability" issue?).
Can someone list the different "packages" that work well and the pros/cons/costs/where to buy? This way I can line them all up and decide from there!
Thanks in advance!
Team Owner
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No offense but your request is a lot of work, if you went to the vendors like LGM and Kartech or Mallet or LPE, tell them what you want and see what they say. All those links to left under Tuners are good people with good products.
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Drifting
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You guys are killing me...
This is not my first Vette, not my first mod, I've been around for a while.
OPINIONS PLEASE!
If you don't have heads/cam or have anything to say about gains in performance you've seen or differences, etc, please don't post just to try to make someone look stupid. We're all out here for advice and to share knowledge, and I'm sure there are plenty of others that would like a nice, concise paragraph showing REAL knowledge on the subject.
This is not my first Vette, not my first mod, I've been around for a while.
OPINIONS PLEASE!
If you don't have heads/cam or have anything to say about gains in performance you've seen or differences, etc, please don't post just to try to make someone look stupid. We're all out here for advice and to share knowledge, and I'm sure there are plenty of others that would like a nice, concise paragraph showing REAL knowledge on the subject.
Racer
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From: Hershey PA
Hi Weedo, I put LG longtubes on but didn't dyno before that mod. The sound is nice with the Corsa Indy exhaust and this puppy flies. Hurst shifter a must.
I am considering a cam and head package or Supercharging. Not sure which way I will go.
There are heads out there that people seem to recommend but I can't think of the name of them. I know there are numbers in the name though. Something 220? Good luck.
I am considering a cam and head package or Supercharging. Not sure which way I will go.
There are heads out there that people seem to recommend but I can't think of the name of them. I know there are numbers in the name though. Something 220? Good luck.
Team Owner
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Can someone list the different "packages" that work well and the pros/cons/costs/where to buy? This way I can line them all up and decide from there!
Thanks in advance!
Thanks in advance!
Anyway everyone I know with Kartech or LGM packages is very happy with the results, and the reliable HP they make. Bottom line, you know how much you have to spend, how much RWHP you want, then call these tuners up and see what they have for your money and wishes.
Also once the search feature is working again you can search for these tuners in C5 tech and find many positive post. So many of the people here have different headers, intakes, tuning, etc. it's impossible to get a good side-by-side comparison with them, just too many variables.
So try not to take offense so quick, sometimes we need more info before we can help someone.
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Drifting
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DEANPUG:
Sounds like you're in the same boat. I've decided on the heads/cam route since the total cost is much less, and i love the nice lumpy idle! Just sounds and feels mean!
CPT Z06
The only reason I took offense is that you tried your best to make me look like an idiot on my last post out here too. It just seems easier to either not answer at all, or answer with a nice, simple answer like you ended up doing anyway. Thanks for the info on the LG and Kartech! I've gotten Kartech's name recently from another forum member too. I'll have to do some poking around to see who carries each of these and a "package price".
Thanks!
Sounds like you're in the same boat. I've decided on the heads/cam route since the total cost is much less, and i love the nice lumpy idle! Just sounds and feels mean!
Originally Posted by CPT Z06
No offense, really, but your question made it seem like you had little knowledge of these packages to begin with.
CPT Z06
The only reason I took offense is that you tried your best to make me look like an idiot on my last post out here too. It just seems easier to either not answer at all, or answer with a nice, simple answer like you ended up doing anyway. Thanks for the info on the LG and Kartech! I've gotten Kartech's name recently from another forum member too. I'll have to do some poking around to see who carries each of these and a "package price".
Thanks!
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Le Mans Master
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I Have a Cartek 3x cam only package.Nice lope, lots of high end hp. It runs strong, coupled with gears makes great 1/4 mile cars. Their H/C cars are hard to beat. Stating what your plans are for the car will help also, goodluck.
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I think CPT Z06 is right on the money with their recc.
Need to know what you spending limit is and what kind of hp you are looking for and also most importantly what kind of drivability you are looking for in the end. Then talk with the tuner Cartech, LGM, VetteDoctors etc which is closest to you. Because if you ever need additional tuning, changes etc. it will be much easier to accomplish if they are close to you vs shipping your car to them for a simple retune.
I went with a local tuner, Norris Motosports, which is only 2 hrs from me and I am still struggling to find the time to get the car back their for some fine tuning.
Need to know what you spending limit is and what kind of hp you are looking for and also most importantly what kind of drivability you are looking for in the end. Then talk with the tuner Cartech, LGM, VetteDoctors etc which is closest to you. Because if you ever need additional tuning, changes etc. it will be much easier to accomplish if they are close to you vs shipping your car to them for a simple retune.
I went with a local tuner, Norris Motosports, which is only 2 hrs from me and I am still struggling to find the time to get the car back their for some fine tuning.
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Drifting
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Good advice coming in...
My plans are to install heads/cam to go along with my Kooks Longtubes, Halltech Trap, Stinger Exhaust; and for the very infrequent track use, I have a 2nd set of 18x10.5 Z06 rims with 295/35/18 BFG G-force DR's.
I want something that will give me some great HP/TQ, but doesn't have to be the MOST. I don't mind, in fact, I like a lumpy idle.
As far as cost or how much I want to spend: I really don't have a limit, just whatever is a great setup. I figure a nice set of heads is around $2400 and cam around $500. Is it realistic to think I can get a nice set of heads/cam for $3000?
My plans are to install heads/cam to go along with my Kooks Longtubes, Halltech Trap, Stinger Exhaust; and for the very infrequent track use, I have a 2nd set of 18x10.5 Z06 rims with 295/35/18 BFG G-force DR's.
I want something that will give me some great HP/TQ, but doesn't have to be the MOST. I don't mind, in fact, I like a lumpy idle.
As far as cost or how much I want to spend: I really don't have a limit, just whatever is a great setup. I figure a nice set of heads is around $2400 and cam around $500. Is it realistic to think I can get a nice set of heads/cam for $3000?
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If you do all the labor yourself.... then yes. BUT, when doing h/c you've got to upgrade the valve-train and it's always a good idea to add a underdrive pulley and a double-roller timing chain. Also, you've got the tuning aspect. I think most H/C's are about $5000 out the door, but that's not including the intake, headers, exhaust too.
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From: Hockessin Delaware
Originally Posted by mdhmi
Agreed. It's easy for a simple H/C job to turn into a $5K+ package by the time you add the timing chain, push rods, valve springs, install, dyno tuning, etc..
Good luck,
Mark
Good luck,
Mark
Burning Brakes
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From: GOCC - Rebels Without A Clue Santa Barbara, CA
Check out Stano's post for just a head installation. AFR 225 heads with 62cc chambers. Pretty impressive for heads only. I drove his car and I can say it is impressive. 
From the time I bought my car, I have been looking at different ways to make more power without sacraficing comfort or drivability. Basically, I wanted the car to act completely stock, just have a bunch more power. Living in CA, I also didnt want to deal with exhaust mods (long tube headers.etc) that would cause me problems with the " smog police". I saw the numbers posted with the AFR heads when they made over 470 hp LAPD's dyno so I decided to call LAPD and see what they could do for me. I spoke with Al and discussed my goals and what I was trying to accomplish. To be honest, I was really hoping just to make over 400hp at the rear wheel and retain all my stock drivability. Al thought we could make that number with just the addition of the new AFR heads, in conjunction with my recent tuning & cold air intake. In a nutshell he was right....We made 409 hp and 391 ft lbs and all I can say is the car feels incredible! Power was up across the board over the entire dyno run. The graph is in my signature.... check it out!!
Last edited by Threed; Jul 11, 2004 at 12:36 PM.
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I'm happy with the AFR 205 heads and I think a 220/220 cam with your set-up would be sweet, based on what you said.
LAPD is offering a head/cam package with tuning for $4500.00 I believe.
Give them a call and talk to AL.
Knowing what I know, I would drive from Arizona to Chatsworth for the work
They will bend over backwards to make sure you are happy
and this is based on personal experience
LAPD is offering a head/cam package with tuning for $4500.00 I believe.
Give them a call and talk to AL.
Knowing what I know, I would drive from Arizona to Chatsworth for the work
They will bend over backwards to make sure you are happy
and this is based on personal experience
Last edited by stano; Jul 12, 2004 at 02:15 AM.
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Drifting
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stano
Any reason you didn't do the cam with the heads? It should only be the price of the cam ($300-$500) as the labor would be about the same I'm assuming?.? Just curious...
And thanks for the heads up on LAPD!
Any reason you didn't do the cam with the heads? It should only be the price of the cam ($300-$500) as the labor would be about the same I'm assuming?.? Just curious...
And thanks for the heads up on LAPD!
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From: "Same as it always was"
We wanted to see what a heads / stock cam / stock exhaust with cold air intake would do. Some people don't want to mess with a cam or headers for whatever reasons. I like to blaze trails anyway
Good luck Weedo
Good luck Weedo
Burning Brakes
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From: highland village texas
i did a H/C with Kook headers and gained approximately 100rwhp and 55rwtq....package was from RPM (Lewisville Tx), their RPM 2 cam (comp 232/236...112*) and heads from CNC Cylinder Heads Inc (Florida)...requires a very good tuner in order to get street manners....With smaller cam like a 228/114* could expect maybe 85rwhp increase but better street manners...new AFR heads and modest cam are getting similar results as stage 3 heads and big cams. But I have not seen any track times posted from anyone using these AFR heads yet...my set-up resulted in going from 12.7 at 110mph to 11.21 at 126mph on drag radials and 4000rpm launch (1.7 60ft) on the right night car is capable of 10.9s....my gas mileage on the open road is still around 28mpg and in town about 19-20mpg...cost for package plus other mods about $5000.
Last edited by C5 CU; Jul 12, 2004 at 07:59 AM.