POP radar?
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From: All Corvettes should be RED
POP is a VERY short instant-on mode of the BEE-11 radar gun
But it's the V1s arrows and bogey counter that make it King of the Hill, not its (superb) range and not whether it alerts on POP's 67 mSec burst or not. You can't be ticketed if LEO is using Pop mode anyway.
But it's the V1s arrows and bogey counter that make it King of the Hill, not its (superb) range and not whether it alerts on POP's 67 mSec burst or not. You can't be ticketed if LEO is using Pop mode anyway.
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St. Jude Donor '17
if they use pop they will be using K or Ka along with it
Your detector will still see them unless you are the one leading the pack at light speed.
I choose v1 for the bogey counter and the arrows of where the radar direction is coming from.
I know it will be forever for my city to upgrade their guns anytime soon.
I am sure it will be the small speed trap type towns that would use such new technology.
Pick what you want on looks and options.. they both get the job done both will be money well spent.. There is no one over the other truly.
Your detector will still see them unless you are the one leading the pack at light speed.
I choose v1 for the bogey counter and the arrows of where the radar direction is coming from.
I know it will be forever for my city to upgrade their guns anytime soon.
I am sure it will be the small speed trap type towns that would use such new technology.
Pick what you want on looks and options.. they both get the job done both will be money well spent.. There is no one over the other truly.
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V1 is still king. Until the passports have arrows it will remain there. Passport will be king w=once they have both arrows and laser jamming (like the SRX), IMHO....since V1 states they won't jam laser in the future.
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Technically, you can't. The manual to the radar units specify that POP mode should not be used to get a speed as listed on the citation; after hitting you with POP, the officer is supposed - *supposed* - to switch to instant-on or constant to get a second, verified speed reading.
Slightly OT, but as a former Valentine owner, I like my 8500 x50 more than I did the V.
Slightly OT, but as a former Valentine owner, I like my 8500 x50 more than I did the V.
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From: Bowling Green KY
Originally Posted by CVCVCV
POP is a VERY short instant-on mode of the BEE-11 radar gun
But it's the V1s arrows and bogey counter that make it King of the Hill, not its (superb) range and not whether it alerts on POP's 67 mSec burst or not. You can't be ticketed if LEO is using Pop mode anyway.
But it's the V1s arrows and bogey counter that make it King of the Hill, not its (superb) range and not whether it alerts on POP's 67 mSec burst or not. You can't be ticketed if LEO is using Pop mode anyway.
Racer
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From: LA Cali
Don't let everyone fool you into thinking you need POP protection right now because it is only used in one state (Nevada) and it still isn't wide spread there yet. The X50 does pick up K band POP and KA band POP but it falses more when it is turned on, that is why when you buy an X50 it is turned off. The Valentine does pick up K band POP but doesn't pick up KA band POP but they are about to fix that in the next couple of months. If you live in Nevada, go with the X50 but if you live in another state, get the V1 for the best all around radar and laser detection.
The Valentine is the only detector that alerted to laser at over 1/4 mile when the car in front of it was shot with laser. It picks up X and K band radar (75%-80% of radar used is this band) over 11 miles away which beats the X50 and the Bel RX65 and it picks up KA band (20%-25% of radar used is this band) radar at 10.8 miles away which is slightly less that the X50 and RX65. The Valentine One is the only radar detector with two antennas so you can know which direction the radar is coming from so you know when you can speed up again. The X50 and the RX65 are good radar detectors but people with them cannot tell you definitively where the radar is coming from or how many sources of radar because the X50 only shows 2 K, 2 KA, and 4 X band sources so if you have more that 2 K or 2 KA, you are screwed.
The arrows are a must if you have a Corvette so you can continue speeding which is what they are made for. If the Valentine One is a Corvette, the X50 is a Camaro in my honest opinion. It is made out of magnesium which keeps heat and electronic interference from other radar detectors out and is one of the strongest things you can make an electronic device out of while the X50 is plastic.The Valentine One has been the best since 1992 and Escort has been making plastic inferior products since Mike Valentine left them. The last excellent product they made prior to the X50 is the original Escort and original Passport (these set the bar for radar detectors) in the 80's and early 90's when Mike Valentine was still with them. It is funny that the Valentine One looks almost the same but has changed almost everything on the inside including software. It is known throughout the world as #1, that is why they sell for so much money on Ebay in Europe, Australia, and New Zealand.
I have also heard alot of people complaining that the X50 locks up in hot temperatures and will not work which I have never heard of happening with the Valentine One. The X50 claims to have a new antenna design which is supposedly different from their 8500 which they claim was better than the V1. It is called a superheterodyne varactor-tuned antenna and that antenna should sound familiar to people who owned the original Passport from 1990 because, GUESS WHAT, it had a superheterodyne varactor-tuned antenna. Their claim is that it is up to 50% better in K and KA band radar than their 8500 but it still loses to the V1 in K and barely beats the V1 in KA. They claim it is a new design but I think the only thing new is their advertising campaign. I believe someone should call Escort and ask them what kind of antenna their original Passport had from 1990 and see what they say because I have the original owners manual with the proof that they are lying.
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ehhh.... yeah.
As I did over at epinions with this one moron that refuses to recognize the Valentine's credibility, I'm just gonna say that you'd be fine with either one. Both are excellent detectors, and all things considered, the x50 seems to be kicking *** these days.
Essentially, it seems to come down to personal preference - the Camaro vs. Corvette thing does not really apply. imo, the V's biggest advantage is the rear radar antenna (and consequently, the arrows); however, after using the V for awhile - about a year - I had no problems going to my x50. Even with the lack of a rear antenna, I still favor Escort.
That's just my opinion, though. The V1 is still an awesome unit, but it is not necessarily the "best" one, depending on who you ask.
As I did over at epinions with this one moron that refuses to recognize the Valentine's credibility, I'm just gonna say that you'd be fine with either one. Both are excellent detectors, and all things considered, the x50 seems to be kicking *** these days.
Essentially, it seems to come down to personal preference - the Camaro vs. Corvette thing does not really apply. imo, the V's biggest advantage is the rear radar antenna (and consequently, the arrows); however, after using the V for awhile - about a year - I had no problems going to my x50. Even with the lack of a rear antenna, I still favor Escort.
That's just my opinion, though. The V1 is still an awesome unit, but it is not necessarily the "best" one, depending on who you ask.
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From: Hendersonville NC
You Pay Your Money and You Take Your Chances. I like the idea of the arrows so I know if it's industrial radar vs. LEO. Had a Passport 8500 and returned it for my money back during the 30 day satisfaction warranty. The constant alerts, and not knowing where or what the source was, rendered it useless to me.
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From: ft lauderdale fl
I have the Passport 8500 and have for a while. It's saved me from tickets at least 6 times. I kind of like what I hear about the Valentine though. Those arrows sound extremely helpful. I may have to check them out.
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Originally Posted by CVCVCV
POP is a VERY short instant-on mode of the BEE-11 radar gun
But it's the V1s arrows and bogey counter that make it King of the Hill, not its (superb) range and not whether it alerts on POP's 67 mSec burst or not. You can't be ticketed if LEO is using Pop mode anyway.
But it's the V1s arrows and bogey counter that make it King of the Hill, not its (superb) range and not whether it alerts on POP's 67 mSec burst or not. You can't be ticketed if LEO is using Pop mode anyway.
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From: The Woodlands TX
I'm running the newest V1 and the new X50 side by side and in my area they are almost a tie on everything so far (X,K and Ka). I haven't had the opportunity to compare Laser detection yet.
I do worry about POP which the Valentine cannot detect. I sent an inquiry to Valentine and asked them whether or not they will be adding this capability to their unit in the future and they never responded. Every other inquiry I made has been answered promptly.
I discussed the POP units with one of the officers I know using them and he tells me that he can sit and target people all day long in POP and then switch to the normal mode when he finds one speeding. He says that it’s amazing to him how many people he catches that have radar detectors. He says his batting average went way up when he got the new unit.
I'm still V1 biased but POP does worry me a little. And it worries me that Valentine is dismissing this threat.
I do worry about POP which the Valentine cannot detect. I sent an inquiry to Valentine and asked them whether or not they will be adding this capability to their unit in the future and they never responded. Every other inquiry I made has been answered promptly.
I discussed the POP units with one of the officers I know using them and he tells me that he can sit and target people all day long in POP and then switch to the normal mode when he finds one speeding. He says that it’s amazing to him how many people he catches that have radar detectors. He says his batting average went way up when he got the new unit.
I'm still V1 biased but POP does worry me a little. And it worries me that Valentine is dismissing this threat.
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Originally Posted by RaDaRkInG
Don't let everyone fool you into thinking you need POP protection right now because it is only used in one state (Nevada) and it still isn't wide spread there yet. The X50 does pick up K band POP and KA band POP but it falses more when it is turned on, that is why when you buy an X50 it is turned off. The Valentine does pick up K band POP but doesn't pick up KA band POP but they are about to fix that in the next couple of months. If you live in Nevada, go with the X50 but if you live in another state, get the V1 for the best all around radar and laser detection.
The Valentine is the only detector that alerted to laser at over 1/4 mile when the car in front of it was shot with laser. It picks up X and K band radar (75%-80% of radar used is this band) over 11 miles away which beats the X50 and the Bel RX65 and it picks up KA band (20%-25% of radar used is this band) radar at 10.8 miles away which is slightly less that the X50 and RX65. The Valentine One is the only radar detector with two antennas so you can know which direction the radar is coming from so you know when you can speed up again. The X50 and the RX65 are good radar detectors but people with them cannot tell you definitively where the radar is coming from or how many sources of radar because the X50 only shows 2 K, 2 KA, and 4 X band sources so if you have more that 2 K or 2 KA, you are screwed.
The arrows are a must if you have a Corvette so you can continue speeding which is what they are made for. If the Valentine One is a Corvette, the X50 is a Camaro in my honest opinion. It is made out of magnesium which keeps heat and electronic interference from other radar detectors out and is one of the strongest things you can make an electronic device out of while the X50 is plastic.The Valentine One has been the best since 1992 and Escort has been making plastic inferior products since Mike Valentine left them. The last excellent product they made prior to the X50 is the original Escort and original Passport (these set the bar for radar detectors) in the 80's and early 90's when Mike Valentine was still with them. It is funny that the Valentine One looks almost the same but has changed almost everything on the inside including software. It is known throughout the world as #1, that is why they sell for so much money on Ebay in Europe, Australia, and New Zealand.
I have also heard alot of people complaining that the X50 locks up in hot temperatures and will not work which I have never heard of happening with the Valentine One. The X50 claims to have a new antenna design which is supposedly different from their 8500 which they claim was better than the V1. It is called a superheterodyne varactor-tuned antenna and that antenna should sound familiar to people who owned the original Passport from 1990 because, GUESS WHAT, it had a superheterodyne varactor-tuned antenna. Their claim is that it is up to 50% better in K and KA band radar than their 8500 but it still loses to the V1 in K and barely beats the V1 in KA. They claim it is a new design but I think the only thing new is their advertising campaign. I believe someone should call Escort and ask them what kind of antenna their original Passport had from 1990 and see what they say because I have the original owners manual with the proof that they are lying.
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Originally Posted by Jitters
I'm running the newest V1 and the new X50 side by side
and
to the
Drifting
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From: BALTIMORE MD
plastic junk
Originally Posted by c5chris
The V1 is no longer the king of the hill.
I hope they are working on an upgrade or my next purchase will be the 8500 X50.
I hope they are working on an upgrade or my next purchase will be the 8500 X50.
