Quick question.....never had a dark colored car...
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Quick question.....never had a dark colored car...
Hey guys,
I've always had silver, pewter, etc cars and went different this time with a Lemans blue. It looks great in the sun, but under intense fluorescent lights, I see a moderate amount of 'microscratches' over the car....I have to be close and look at the right angle, but they are there. They are not really true 'swirls' as they are VERY light and not in a consistent round or arc pattern.....
The car was just delivered and they did minimal prep...by hand, no orbital buffers, etc.
Is this 'normal' for dark cars, meaning is it inevitable that you'll get these microscratches. Again, in regular sunlight or even under artificial light from a foot away you can't really see the,...just when you get right up there at a certain angle....then they are intermittantly visible over the car.
I think I'm obsessing....my wife agrees...and I think I'll add more of these over the first 6 months of washing/waxing, no matter how careful I am....
Just looking to feel better
Thanks
Pat
I've always had silver, pewter, etc cars and went different this time with a Lemans blue. It looks great in the sun, but under intense fluorescent lights, I see a moderate amount of 'microscratches' over the car....I have to be close and look at the right angle, but they are there. They are not really true 'swirls' as they are VERY light and not in a consistent round or arc pattern.....
The car was just delivered and they did minimal prep...by hand, no orbital buffers, etc.
Is this 'normal' for dark cars, meaning is it inevitable that you'll get these microscratches. Again, in regular sunlight or even under artificial light from a foot away you can't really see the,...just when you get right up there at a certain angle....then they are intermittantly visible over the car.
I think I'm obsessing....my wife agrees...and I think I'll add more of these over the first 6 months of washing/waxing, no matter how careful I am....
Just looking to feel better
Thanks
Pat
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I have an electron blue vette, its won several trophies and I baby it like it was made out of sugar. Nevertheless, the paint does have some micro scratches which can be seen under flourescent lamps or at night under a street light. Very minor but they are there. I'm not sure if they are really in the clearcoat though because after I apply a coat of Zaino, they almost disappear but after a few washes, they return even though the polish is still there. Since Zaino can layer, it could be that the microscratches are in the polish.
If you use zaino, I'm sure you'll see an improvement. It definitely will fill in an minor scratches. For larger scratches, you can use 3M swirl mark remover but you have to remember that this sands down the clearcoat ever so slightly so you don't want to use it all the time.
If you use zaino, I'm sure you'll see an improvement. It definitely will fill in an minor scratches. For larger scratches, you can use 3M swirl mark remover but you have to remember that this sands down the clearcoat ever so slightly so you don't want to use it all the time.
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Well, he just about does, but it could be worse. It could be the navy blue. Those ARE just as bad as black.
ANY very dark color is extremely difficult to keep looking good, with no scratches or swirls. Black is obviously the worst, but dark blues, dark greens, etc. will show these scratches as well.
You probably have been washing your car incorrectly and please don't take offense when I say that. I screwed up the first black car I had too because I washed it just like I'd been washing every other car I'd ever owned and that's murder on a very dark color.
First of all, use a mitt, not a brush or a sponge. Rinse completely several times before you ever start to wash. Have a separate bucket for soap and rinse water. If you can handle it, wash with one hand and hold the hose shooting water at the mitt with the other.
There's lots of other things that black or very dark car owners have to do and most of us learn them the hard way. I'd suggest asking around for wax tips too. When you come over to the dark side, things are a lot tougher!
ANY very dark color is extremely difficult to keep looking good, with no scratches or swirls. Black is obviously the worst, but dark blues, dark greens, etc. will show these scratches as well.
You probably have been washing your car incorrectly and please don't take offense when I say that. I screwed up the first black car I had too because I washed it just like I'd been washing every other car I'd ever owned and that's murder on a very dark color.
First of all, use a mitt, not a brush or a sponge. Rinse completely several times before you ever start to wash. Have a separate bucket for soap and rinse water. If you can handle it, wash with one hand and hold the hose shooting water at the mitt with the other.
There's lots of other things that black or very dark car owners have to do and most of us learn them the hard way. I'd suggest asking around for wax tips too. When you come over to the dark side, things are a lot tougher!
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that is the unfortunate part of owning a dark car...
I had a black Camaro that showed every imperfection....
then I have a Navy Blue Metallic Camaro... that was better.
now I have a silver C5 and it is so much easier to take care of
I had a black Camaro that showed every imperfection....
then I have a Navy Blue Metallic Camaro... that was better.
now I have a silver C5 and it is so much easier to take care of
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These micro-scratches as you put it are on every car, they just are more apparent on the darker colors - as jrose7004 said, you should see what it's like on a Black car!
A random orbital or also known as a dual action buffer with a swirl remover (the most mild polishing compound) will get most of it out.
I use Meguiar's Swirl Remover, followed by Show Car Glaze, followed by NXT (I don't mean or want to start another thread about NXT vs. Zaino) and I can get most of them out.
If you're really obsessed with them, you have to be VERY careful what touches the car. Never wipe it dry, always use clean high thread count micro fiber towels.
My advice - enjoy the car and accept that a certain amount of paint flaws are going to happen. When they do, polish them out and start over!
A random orbital or also known as a dual action buffer with a swirl remover (the most mild polishing compound) will get most of it out.
I use Meguiar's Swirl Remover, followed by Show Car Glaze, followed by NXT (I don't mean or want to start another thread about NXT vs. Zaino) and I can get most of them out.
If you're really obsessed with them, you have to be VERY careful what touches the car. Never wipe it dry, always use clean high thread count micro fiber towels.
My advice - enjoy the car and accept that a certain amount of paint flaws are going to happen. When they do, polish them out and start over!
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I haven't even washed the car yet ... It's new. I just felt bad that its new and was hoping to start with a completely clean slate. Again, the paint looks perfect from 1 foot away or under regular sunlight...but as I described you can see the micro-scratches.
I was worried that something was done wrong at the dealer, factory, etc....but again, its not like the thing is swirled from a buffer or anything....
Anyway, I guess my thoughts are that this is normal, and probably occur at the factory or during inital prep...and even if you started clean, they are inevitable, so I shouldn;t be bummed.
This sin't a show-car...It's my daily driver, but I want to take excellent care of it.
I use only 100% cotton towels to wash, dry....someone said that even a T-shirt that says 100% cotton has some polyester and will cause microscratches. In short, he said within 1 month, no matter how careful you are, you'll have these. He also agreed with you guys...if it gets to the point that it really bothers you, have a professional polish them out and it will be like starting over.
That sound about right?
PS - Zaino on order
Pat
I was worried that something was done wrong at the dealer, factory, etc....but again, its not like the thing is swirled from a buffer or anything....
Anyway, I guess my thoughts are that this is normal, and probably occur at the factory or during inital prep...and even if you started clean, they are inevitable, so I shouldn;t be bummed.
This sin't a show-car...It's my daily driver, but I want to take excellent care of it.
I use only 100% cotton towels to wash, dry....someone said that even a T-shirt that says 100% cotton has some polyester and will cause microscratches. In short, he said within 1 month, no matter how careful you are, you'll have these. He also agreed with you guys...if it gets to the point that it really bothers you, have a professional polish them out and it will be like starting over.
That sound about right?
PS - Zaino on order
Pat
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Every car has these micro-scratches - some are just easier to see than others. Even my pewter has them, but that color hides them well.
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I was talking to a guy who owns a Corvette paint and body shop about some small scratches I had. Anniverary red. He rubbed them out with some Turtlewax cut with 10% water. Been using it for 20 years and isn't going to change. Interesting thing was that he recommended used diapers to wipe polish off, rather than towels. Went to Pep Boys and bought some. They work great. Hope my 86 year old mom doesn't find out what I paid for used diapers. And yes, before you wits ask, they have been washed since they were used for their original purpose.
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Originally Posted by Patman77
I haven't even washed the car yet ... It's new. I just felt bad that its new and was hoping to start with a completely clean slate. Again, the paint looks perfect from 1 foot away or under regular sunlight...but as I described you can see the micro-scratches.
I was worried that something was done wrong at the dealer, factory, etc....but again, its not like the thing is swirled from a buffer or anything....
Anyway, I guess my thoughts are that this is normal, and probably occur at the factory or during inital prep...and even if you started clean, they are inevitable, so I shouldn;t be bummed.
This sin't a show-car...It's my daily driver, but I want to take excellent care of it.
I use only 100% cotton towels to wash, dry....someone said that even a T-shirt that says 100% cotton has some polyester and will cause microscratches. In short, he said within 1 month, no matter how careful you are, you'll have these. He also agreed with you guys...if it gets to the point that it really bothers you, have a professional polish them out and it will be like starting over.
That sound about right?
PS - Zaino on order
Pat
I was worried that something was done wrong at the dealer, factory, etc....but again, its not like the thing is swirled from a buffer or anything....
Anyway, I guess my thoughts are that this is normal, and probably occur at the factory or during inital prep...and even if you started clean, they are inevitable, so I shouldn;t be bummed.
This sin't a show-car...It's my daily driver, but I want to take excellent care of it.
I use only 100% cotton towels to wash, dry....someone said that even a T-shirt that says 100% cotton has some polyester and will cause microscratches. In short, he said within 1 month, no matter how careful you are, you'll have these. He also agreed with you guys...if it gets to the point that it really bothers you, have a professional polish them out and it will be like starting over.
That sound about right?
PS - Zaino on order
Pat
I've got two black cars at home and neither has what I'd term "micro scratches". I've cared for them for a long time and have managed never to damage the paint. I'd certainly be talking to the dealer about my paint. I'm wondering if it was damaged in some way before you got it and some ******** "buffed it out".
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Sounds like the numb-nuts at the dealership gave you these beautiful aftermarket tone on tone pinstripes. You did say they did minimal prep, that is all it takes......Robert with a Black FRC
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I stopped by a local BMW dealership today just out of curiosity and looked at 4 or 5 cars (5 and 7 series) that were black, blue....they were all new and I could see the same thing on all of 'em. To those who think its a mistake by someone, maybe I'm not describing it right, but I think its just inevitable cause I can't seem to find a new car wthout them.
Now I'll quite worrying and enjoy it.
Pat
Now I'll quite worrying and enjoy it.
Pat
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I had a dark green Mitsubishi ... same thing as you described. Almost drove me nuts. 
My Vette is spiral gray, and they are not nearly as apparent, but under flourescent, at the right angle, I can see them a little.
Flourescent light is hell!
My Vette is spiral gray, and they are not nearly as apparent, but under flourescent, at the right angle, I can see them a little.
Flourescent light is hell!
