recall done, now get pull key wait 10 sec.
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Drifting
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recall done, now get pull key wait 10 sec.
Hi.
I had the column lock recall done on Tuesday (an A4)...this morning the car stalls while backing out of the garage. The DIC says pull key, wait 10 sec. I pull key but don't wait 10 sec. Stalls again, same error message. This time I wait 10 sec. It started, ran well, got me to the dentist
and home. 
I cought the tech getting out of my car on Tues. and asked him if he took my CLB out for me. He had no clue of what I was talking about. He said "All I did was cut a couple wires and pull a relay" and claimed not having to get behind the lower dash. - so, my CLB is still in there.
The paperwork says:
recall 04006 - electric colum lock system - recall done - replaced steering lock in the column and spliced in a new harness.
FP # 88952427 - Description: harness K 2.195
Has anyone had this happen?
thanks
I had the column lock recall done on Tuesday (an A4)...this morning the car stalls while backing out of the garage. The DIC says pull key, wait 10 sec. I pull key but don't wait 10 sec. Stalls again, same error message. This time I wait 10 sec. It started, ran well, got me to the dentist
and home. I cought the tech getting out of my car on Tues. and asked him if he took my CLB out for me. He had no clue of what I was talking about. He said "All I did was cut a couple wires and pull a relay" and claimed not having to get behind the lower dash. - so, my CLB is still in there.
The paperwork says:
recall 04006 - electric colum lock system - recall done - replaced steering lock in the column and spliced in a new harness.
FP # 88952427 - Description: harness K 2.195
Has anyone had this happen?
thanks
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Dawg,
Sorry to hear about your problem. What a frigg'n disaster this whole column lock issue is.
If your paperworks says that a "harness K" was installed, I am confused as to how that could have been done with the tech "not having to get behind the lower dash". I am not a tech so maybe it is installed elsewhere, but I doubt it.
But, if the harness is installed, and the CLB is still in there then perhaps this could be the cause of your problem. I don't believe that I have ever read a column lock thread where an A4 owner has had both the CLB and harness K installed at the same time (not that I have read every thread on the column lock issue - I don't believe I will live that long). I don't think you need, or want, both.
Also, I thought that the recall (for an A4) required installing a plate to block the locking pin (or removing the pin itself). Would the tech have to get behind the lower dash to do that?
Anyway, you might want to try removing the CLB (if in fact the harness K is installed) and see if that fixes the "wait 10 sec." problem.
Good luck, and let us know how it turns out.
Sorry to hear about your problem. What a frigg'n disaster this whole column lock issue is.
If your paperworks says that a "harness K" was installed, I am confused as to how that could have been done with the tech "not having to get behind the lower dash". I am not a tech so maybe it is installed elsewhere, but I doubt it.
But, if the harness is installed, and the CLB is still in there then perhaps this could be the cause of your problem. I don't believe that I have ever read a column lock thread where an A4 owner has had both the CLB and harness K installed at the same time (not that I have read every thread on the column lock issue - I don't believe I will live that long). I don't think you need, or want, both.
Also, I thought that the recall (for an A4) required installing a plate to block the locking pin (or removing the pin itself). Would the tech have to get behind the lower dash to do that?
Anyway, you might want to try removing the CLB (if in fact the harness K is installed) and see if that fixes the "wait 10 sec." problem.
Good luck, and let us know how it turns out.
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Allen, I've had that happen a couple of times...in each instance I was rushing to start or cutoff the engine (while doing an oil change)...bottom line: I wasn't waiting the 10 seconds before trying again...in each case after waiting (counting) 10 seconds, she would start right up with no problems.
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I'm considering having the recall done but my '01 coupe has a 6-sp. I'm told they won't touch the locking plate, just reprogram the computer so the fuel pump (?) won't work if the lock won't release. If that's true I'm not taking it in. GM should FIX the problem, not provide some half *** work around. 
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I just bought a 99 coupe and called the Chevy dealer to ask if the car had the recall work done on it. They checked the vin # and told me that the original owner had it in for the first recall work. Apparently that didn't work too well so they came up with a second "fix" that they say seems to work. I haven't taken it in for the second fix yet. Anyone else come across the "do it twice" procedure???
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roscoe - I had asked them to please remove my CLB when doing the recall (I put it in...and you DO need to get behind the lower dash to put in the CLB and to access the column locking mechanism)...but 'the tech' 
tells me he didn't have to get back there. << shrug >>
Shortimer - the MN6 fix is to reflash the 'puter. a lot of forum users put the CLB right back in afterwards.
tells me he didn't have to get back there. << shrug >> Shortimer - the MN6 fix is to reflash the 'puter. a lot of forum users put the CLB right back in afterwards.
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From: Drivin' and Divin' in Seattle
Originally Posted by vette99coupe
I just bought a 99 coupe and called the Chevy dealer to ask if the car had the recall work done on it. They checked the vin # and told me that the original owner had it in for the first recall work. Apparently that didn't work too well so they came up with a second "fix" that they say seems to work. I haven't taken it in for the second fix yet. Anyone else come across the "do it twice" procedure???
If I do anything, it will be the bypass or plate removal. I need to find out how to do the latter.
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This is the whole reason I did my CLB myself. I had it for at least half a year, sitting in the garage since I knew GM would come around and do a recall on the C5 for this reason. But knowing GM, they will screw up the original screw-up and leave the consumers hanging. At the moment I heard owners having problems after taking their cars to the dealership, I knew my $35 investment for the CLB was well worth it.
I still have my recall letter in the C5's trunk somewhere.
I still have my recall letter in the C5's trunk somewhere.
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Originally Posted by roscoe118
If your paperworks says that a "harness K" was installed, I am confused as to how that could have been done with the tech "not having to get behind the lower dash". I am not a tech so maybe it is installed elsewhere, but I doubt it.
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Originally Posted by JimAgain
The recall is not the bypass. Two very fifferent things. Recall cuts fuel during lock for safety.
Bypass prevents lockup.(Aftermarket only)
Bypass prevents lockup.(Aftermarket only)
The fuel cutoff is for MN6 only since GM cannot disconnect the column lock on those cars.
For this specific problem, I would assume the k-harness would effectively disconnect the CLB even if it were left in there (i.e bypassing the bypass). It sounds like the harness may be causing the problem or it just wasn't installed right.
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Hi I am new to this forum and I have a couple of questions that maybe you can answer for me.
1. What is a CLB
2. What exactly is the column lock recall
My car is a 6 speed and I just found out it didn't have the recall done.
Thanks for your help
1. What is a CLB
2. What exactly is the column lock recall
My car is a 6 speed and I just found out it didn't have the recall done.
Thanks for your help
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Originally Posted by JDs00PewterCoupe
I just had the same thing done on mine, although it is a MN6 car. The harness is not installed under the dash, but instead is installed in the area under the passenger side footwell. I thought with the A4, they were supposed to install a plate to keep the lock from engaging. I would say that the tech did not do something that he was supposed to do.
I think (as JC stated) that harness was installed incorrectly (since the tech's work is already in question if he did not work on the locking plate), or as I mentioned earlier, having the harness and CLB installed at the same time (if the harness for some reason does not "bypass the bypass-CLB"
) pisses off the PCM (or BCM). Just a thought.harley, CLB stands for Column Lock Bypass. The columm lock recall is a half azz'd attempt by GM to fix (actually work around) a PITA problem where the car thinks it is being stolen and locks the steering column and will not let the car be driven. That is a very over simplified explanation, but if you do a search on "column lock" you'll get more information than you will live long enough to read
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Originally Posted by harleyrules
Hi I am new to this forum and I have a couple of questions that maybe you can answer for me.
1. What is a CLB
2. What exactly is the column lock recall
My car is a 6 speed and I just found out it didn't have the recall done.
Thanks for your help
1. What is a CLB
2. What exactly is the column lock recall
My car is a 6 speed and I just found out it didn't have the recall done.
Thanks for your help
BTW, a little friendly advice since you have an MN6, get the recall done (just so it is shown on record as having been done) ASAP and then buy a CLB and install it immediately. Better yet, buy the CLB first (don't install it) so that you have it ready to install right after the recall is completed. It is simpler not to have to even talk to the dealer about a CLB (most will either "be" or "play" dumb anyway).
The only thing that is actually done to an MN6 car is reprogramming the PCM to shut off fuel flow if the car enters this condition where it thinks it is "being stolen" (for lack of a better explanation). They should also do a visual inpection of the locking pin, but neither of these will prevent the condition from occuring in the future. The CLB will
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Originally Posted by JC in XTC5
This is incorrect. The latest recall on the A4 is to disconnect the column lock and install a k-harness that is effectively a CLB (wonder where GM got that idea).
Last edited by JimAgain; Oct 28, 2004 at 03:42 PM.
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Some thing is not right here The 88952427 relay harness kit is installed under the left dash and plugs into the same harness (in series)that the CLB plugs into.Also,there is no splicing or removal of a relay on the A4 recall. 
The procedure also involves installing a dummy lock plate in the column in place of the original lock plate.
The recall on the 98-2000 M6 involves installing (splicing) a jumper harness at the BCM under the right dash,and removing and reinstalling an updated column lock relay.I am confused though because the part # for the M6 kit is 88952428,not the # billed on your recipt,if the wrong kit and procedure was installed.
The 88952427 relay harness kit is installed under the left dash and plugs into the same harness (in series)that the CLB plugs into.Also,there is no splicing or removal of a relay on the A4 recall. The procedure also involves installing a dummy lock plate in the column in place of the original lock plate.The recall on the 98-2000 M6 involves installing (splicing) a jumper harness at the BCM under the right dash,and removing and reinstalling an updated column lock relay.I am confused though because the part # for the M6 kit is 88952428,not the # billed on your recipt,if the wrong kit and procedure was installed.
Last edited by C-5 TECH; Oct 28, 2004 at 06:53 PM.
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I bought the Harness K and it plugs in series with the harness to the CL. They plug the CL in so that it will unlock the first time you try to start the car. From that point on it is not required to be plugged in. I will apply power to the CL alone and get it to release and then not hook it up to the Harness K. The new locking plate and a couple of O-rings also comes with the harness. Those I will put in a safe place and not replace. My .02