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Old Nov 1, 2004 | 05:57 PM
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I have been doing that for years. Does not matter who it is if I see a car on the shoulder I slow down or move to the other lane. Even if it is not a LEO, fire truck or ambulance. Never know when someone will open a door and step out and not pay attention to the traffic.
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Old Nov 1, 2004 | 06:13 PM
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it does not suprise me
TX small towns, their overpriced enforcement equipment, and the infamous speed traps
i guess some cities do not have other "important" crimes to worry about
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Old Nov 1, 2004 | 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by leonm47
You know my brother you have a good chance to change the law about 7AM tomorrow. As you say we as LEO's sure as hell don't make the laws but we are sworn to enforce them. In 1986 I had the unwanted task along with my Deputy Chief to inform one of my fellow officer's wife that she had just become a widow in a situation on the freeway. Makes you stop and think when it hits close to home. Let's direct our wrath toward Austin.
You're right, and I will exercise my right to vote. Unfortunately, voting against the people I don't agree with won't change the existing laws. And, like I said before, I respect the officers, and the officers' safety at all times. Again, I completely agree that people should slow down and get over....I just don't like to be "tested" to see if I will when the need arises, and "penalized" for failing the "test".
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Old Nov 1, 2004 | 06:40 PM
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My best friend was struck by a car while on a traffic stop last year. He is lucky to be alive but at 34 years old he now has to spend the rest of his life blind because someone failed to slow down and move over while he was trying to do his job. This link should show you why LEO's are so particular about this law.

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Old Nov 1, 2004 | 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by trueblue02
I'm a police officer and have almost been hit by cars speeding by me several times. The law is to protect us from people who don't give the consideration that they could strike us with a 5000 lb. vehicle traveling at 70 mph. My partner was struck in his left arm while approaching a vehicle on IH 45. Don't knock the law. Just slow down when we are trying to do our job. As for the LP law. The only thing you cannot have is something that covers a part of the LP to where it cannot be read...ex.TEXAS or the Number. A clear cover, as long as it doesn't obscure the view, is legal.
First, I agree with the practice of slowing down and/or getting over. However, it's a lot like passing laws against people committing crimes...people who commit crimes don't care about laws.

Unless I'm mistaken regarding the license plate law, it says that there can be nothing covering the plate, clear or otherwise. The reason, it is presumed, is to keep people from putting the clear "obscuring" type covers on their front plate to defeat the red light cameras. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong...
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Old Nov 1, 2004 | 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by JBH
My best friend was struck by a car while on a traffic stop last year. He is lucky to be alive but at 34 years old he now has to spend the rest of his life blind because someone failed to slow down and move over while he was trying to do his job. This link should show you why LEO's are so particular about this law.

http://www.cliffsprogress.homestead.com/


Check out "pics from the hospital"
Very sorry to hear about that, and I am not arguing against the practice of slowing down, moving over, and giving the law the room to do their job.

I am arguing that simply to park on the side of the road, for no reason other than to radar traffic and use the law to give tickets, is total bs.
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Old Nov 1, 2004 | 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by frodo84
I am arguing that simply to park on the side of the road, for no reason other than to radar traffic and use the law to give tickets, is total bs.

I totally agree. If he was not on a traffic stop and was just sitting off the shoulder than only the posted speed should be inforced.
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Old Nov 1, 2004 | 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by TxOily
On my weekly commute from Houston to Dallas, I was informed of a new law instituted September of this year. It requires a driver to either change lanes to reduce speed to 20 MPH below the posted limit. It cost me $237 (or defensive driving) to become informed. Somehow it just didn't seem right to be charged with exceeding a speed limit that was never posted..... but that's my logical engineering mind trying to make linear assumptions in a non-linear world.

While passing through the notorious "speed trap" of the Wilmer-Hutchins area, I reduced speed to 60 MPH and set the cruise. While passing the local constable, I was clocked at a blistering 62 MPH using their new laser guns (they can't seem to find the $$ to finish the new high school, but the LEO's all have the latest and best speed detection equipment; but that's a whole other issue). Of the pack that passed with me, I guess the red C-5 convertible was too good a target.

Any way...... a word to the wise..... for the safety of our boys in blue on the side of the road...... hit the brakes or swerve to the next lane.
I've heard about people getting pulled over for it before, so I started paying attention to it.
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Old Nov 1, 2004 | 07:38 PM
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We have a similar law on the books & sometimes neither option is an option.
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Old Nov 1, 2004 | 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by tonyh2000
SB 193 requires drivers nearing stopped emergency vehicles-with lights activated -to either slow down or change lanes.

The law states a driver must either vacate the lane closest to the stopped emergency vehicle if the road has multiple lanes traveling in the same direction or slow down 20 miles per hour below the speed limit. (If the speed limit is below 25 mph the driver must slow down to 5 mph.)

Emergency vehicles include police, emergency medical service and fire vehicles.

A violation is punishable by a maximum fine of $200. If the violation results in property damage, the maximum fine increases to $500. If the violation results in bodily injury, the offense is enhanced to a Class B misdemeanor.

The new law was passed in the last regular session of the Texas Legislature and went into effect Sept. 1, 2003.
yeah, it's not just a emergency vehicle on the side of the road, it is an emergency vehicle WITH it's lights on. I don't see a problem with this. But if they are enforcing it without thier lights on, that is wrong.
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Old Nov 1, 2004 | 08:04 PM
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Yep I agree, I have heard of some that place a car on the side of the road and turn on the lights then sit just past it and run radar.
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Old Nov 1, 2004 | 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by tonyh2000
Yep I agree, I have heard of some that place a car on the side of the road and turn on the lights then sit just past it and run radar.
From an LEO's mouth...."That's pretty chicken ****"
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Old Nov 1, 2004 | 08:54 PM
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Originally Posted by frodo84
First, I agree with the practice of slowing down and/or getting over. However, it's a lot like passing laws against people committing crimes...people who commit crimes don't care about laws.

Unless I'm mistaken regarding the license plate law, it says that there can be nothing covering the plate, clear or otherwise. The reason, it is presumed, is to keep people from putting the clear "obscuring" type covers on their front plate to defeat the red light cameras. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong...
I spoke with state Rep Ellis today...The law was passed for LEO's to be able to identify what state a LP is from. Some of them are not easy to read with the covers on them, hence the law. He knew nothing of the red light camera thing.
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Old Nov 1, 2004 | 09:16 PM
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attached to that same law is the license plate frame. If it covers any portion of any letter(s) on the plate they can issue a citation for that also
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Old Nov 1, 2004 | 09:52 PM
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The Texas legislature raised the fines for all traffic offenses during the last session. Public safety was not their concern. Can you spell m-o-n-e-y?
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Old Nov 1, 2004 | 09:53 PM
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Let me clarify......

I totally agree with the premise..... which is why I pulled off the freeway onto a wide and well-lit portion of the service road so as not to endanger the LEO or myself.... just common sense for both of us.

Second.... the LEO couldn't answer my question regarding the distance from the emergency vehicle when the lower speed is reached.... how far???? How about after..... can I legally punch the throttle as I pass the front of his car??? Should either of these distances change in the rain???

Third..... the LEO gets to decide whether making the lange change can be done safely; he can't see what's in my rear view mirror.

Fourth.... I don't see how disrupting the natural flow of traffic near a stopped LEO is safer.

Fifth.... if the guy is drunk, or just plain careless, what good is hitting the LEO at 20MPH less going to do? Is it inherently safer to be whacked by a 5000-pound vehicle at 50MPH than 70 MPH..... seems to me you're dead either way.

Sixth.... and this is the one I enjoy most.... the citation mistakenly has me traveling Southbound when I was going Northbound. I might suggest to the county government that when fitting the car with all the computers and lasers.... they include a compass so the LEO knows which way he's headed.

Have a nice day.... right, officer????
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as an LEO i personally love the new law. yes most people didnt get the "memo" but.....

it does say u have to vacate that lane or reduce to 20 below the speed limit. personally i think its not only a good law its very curtious. u guys dont know what we can deal with when we pull people over....with people running or weapons etc. even a 'routine' (i hate that word) stop has its problems. remember the last time u broke down or had a flat on the highway? yeah, those cars fly by. if they at least reduced their speed some or moved out of the lane it would have made u feel much better right? anyway, im with u guys on the stupid laws like frt plate or the plate frame crap but this one is one i do like and do enforce. also, if u see a cop have someone stopped and another unit pulled over in front of the violaters car blacked out, chances are he's watching for this, watching for people to fly past his partner. now if u do it on I30 through arlington, chances are you can meet me cause this is what i do. fair warning. heheh
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Originally Posted by trueblue02
From an LEO's mouth...."That's pretty chicken ****"
if its just sitting there. but if anotehr co worker has one stopped, ill watch out for this violation. if someone knocks their speed down even 10mph i dont worry about it, its those people who just blast by at 60 that bother me. its bad practice for anyone to pass any car on the highway like that without reducing speed some, never know when someone whos broken down will open a door at ya or come from the otehr side around the front and pop up not paying attention. ive always tried to move over or slow down for anyone on the shoulder.
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I suppose I can see both sides of the coin, being a LEO I of course lean more towards liking the law since it helps with safety for my brothers in Texas.

I know on 2 occasions I have had close calls. Once with my back to traffic a car went by so close the side view mirror hit my hand cuff case and ripped it open and just barely grazed my ***. Thank god I am an exercise freak because if my butt was 1/2 inch bigger it would have spun my *** right out into traffic.

The other time I had to leap onto the hood of my stops car to avoid getting creamed, the passenger side rear view mirror on the passing car whacked the drivers side mirror on my stopped car.
Just blind luck I saw him coming and thought "this guy is going to hit us" and had time to head for the front of the stopped car.

Its like a bad game of Frogger sometimes!!
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Old Nov 2, 2004 | 07:45 AM
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Originally Posted by TxOily
On my weekly commute from Houston to Dallas, I was informed of a new law instituted September of this year. It requires a driver to either change lanes to reduce speed to 20 MPH below the posted limit. It cost me $237 (or defensive driving) to become informed. Somehow it just didn't seem right to be charged with exceeding a speed limit that was never posted..... but that's my logical engineering mind trying to make linear assumptions in a non-linear world.

While passing through the notorious "speed trap" of the Wilmer-Hutchins area, I reduced speed to 60 MPH and set the cruise. While passing the local constable, I was clocked at a blistering 62 MPH using their new laser guns (they can't seem to find the $$ to finish the new high school, but the LEO's all have the latest and best speed detection equipment; but that's a whole other issue). Of the pack that passed with me, I guess the red C-5 convertible was too good a target.

Any way...... a word to the wise..... for the safety of our boys in blue on the side of the road...... hit the brakes or swerve to the next lane.
Leaving out the part about "If a police or emergency vehicle is parked on the shoulder" skewed the original message. However, most figured out what you were trying to say. As a previous poster said, we have the same law in Georgia. However, recently a small town outside of Savannah took it upon themselves to "Create" revenue by setting up a "Move Over" trap. They had one cop sitting with his blue lights on, for no other reason than to catch people that didn't move over. He wasn't even outside of his car. Another cop would pull the offenders over. Made big news around here and the judge threw it out because, for a law that is intended to save lived, the word was never put out to let everyone know about it.

I say extend the law to the poor fool that has a flat next to the Interstate. When I bought my Vette I was driving through Columbia, SC with my wife following in the Blazer. She radioed me that she needed to pull over immediately because she had a blowout. Unfortunately for me it was the left rear. I had very little shoulder to work on thanks to the clever Interstate system in Columbia. Not one of those SOBs changed lanes to give me a break. I'm just glad I got out of it alive and .... well... just got out of South Carolina period!
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