Odometer fraud question.
Pro
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From: Mint Hill NC
Good point !
Originally Posted by JACKAL0PE
However, the dealship can run a check on your VIN number to tell you the service history of the car. For example, if the tire sensors were replaced at 50k miles, they'd know it (assuming the repair happened at a GM dealership). If it had 30K miles on it two years ago, it's highly unlikely that it has 20K now! 
Safety Car
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From: SE Idaho
St. Jude Contributor
Originally Posted by Sponge Vette
Now if you still question the mileage let your dealer know your concerns, there is a black box on most vehicles and the C5 has one, that will let them know the actual miles on the vehicle. They will compare it to the odometer at that point you will have your answer.
Other interesting note is when servicing the IPC on a Vette, it is a requirement the exact mileage be programmed into the IPC (Federal Law), and if the exact mileage cannot be read off the old IPC, then a sticker is required, that states, vehicle mileage is unknown. If there was a hidden black box, a sticker would not be required if the IPC failed.
So, I'm curious, as I'm sure others are.
Thanks in advance.
Oh, the correct terminology is re-flash the computer, not recode it. Also, plugging a Tech 2 into the OBD-II (DLC) connector will not give vehicle mileage except that which is retained by the IPC.
As another person posted, his IPC was replaced, and the mileage was incorrect, if they had had this "black box" would they not have had the correct mileage?
Last edited by WhiteC5Vette; Nov 14, 2004 at 03:16 AM.
Melting Slicks
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From: Orland Park Illinois
St. Jude Donor '06-'07
Originally Posted by screw991le
So what your saying is if you change a vette's cluster say a 97 for and 04, and had no service, you could do a "roll back"
Thats interesting. Something to watch out for as the C5s get older.
Thats interesting. Something to watch out for as the C5s get older.
Yes....
Melting Slicks
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From: Orland Park Illinois
St. Jude Donor '06-'07
Originally Posted by WhiteC5Vette
Please inform this misguided engineer with a law degree as to exactly where the so-called "black box" is on the Corvette? Since I have extensive knowledge of the workings of all the computers used on the Vette, I have yet to find this out. I also have extensive use of the Techline system as well as the Tech 2, and have never seen such information.
Other interesting note is when servicing the IPC on a Vette, it is a requirement the exact mileage be programmed into the IPC (Federal Law), and if the exact mileage cannot be read off the old IPC, then a sticker is required, that states, vehicle mileage is unknown. If there was a hidden black box, a sticker would not be required if the IPC failed.
So, I'm curious, as I'm sure others are.
Thanks in advance.
Oh, the correct terminology is re-flash the computer, not recode it. Also, plugging a Tech 2 into the OBD-II (DLC) connector will not give vehicle mileage except that which is retained by the IPC.
As another person posted, his IPC was replaced, and the mileage was incorrect, if they had had this "black box" would they not have had the correct mileage?
Other interesting note is when servicing the IPC on a Vette, it is a requirement the exact mileage be programmed into the IPC (Federal Law), and if the exact mileage cannot be read off the old IPC, then a sticker is required, that states, vehicle mileage is unknown. If there was a hidden black box, a sticker would not be required if the IPC failed.
So, I'm curious, as I'm sure others are.
Thanks in advance.
Oh, the correct terminology is re-flash the computer, not recode it. Also, plugging a Tech 2 into the OBD-II (DLC) connector will not give vehicle mileage except that which is retained by the IPC.
As another person posted, his IPC was replaced, and the mileage was incorrect, if they had had this "black box" would they not have had the correct mileage?
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Let's just all believe the C5 has a black box...whether it's true or not, so that we can keep people's dishonest thoughts to a minimum. Let's keep these kinds of posts off the forum as it leads to knowledge on how to create odometer fraud.
While the poster had good intentions, all details do not need to be exposed on the workings of the system.
While the poster had good intentions, all details do not need to be exposed on the workings of the system.
Melting Slicks
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From: Macomb MI
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Here are a few links to the black box. Trust me it tells more info then just the airbags that it claims. And don't ask how I know 
I've said to much already.
Black box
More Black Box info
Big brother is watching
I've said to much already.Black box
More Black Box info
Big brother is watching
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From: simpson town Mo
Originally Posted by PaceThis
Let's just all believe the C5 has a black box...whether it's true or not, so that we can keep people's dishonest thoughts to a minimum. Let's keep these kinds of posts off the forum as it leads to knowledge on how to create odometer fraud.
While the poster had good intentions, all details do not need to be exposed on the workings of the system.
While the poster had good intentions, all details do not need to be exposed on the workings of the system.
Pro
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From: Hollywood , Atlanta Fl
Sponge Vette can you please please run mine.I got it with only 15k its a 00 vert auto and noticed the brake pedal worn on one side. 15k? vin 1G1YY32G5Y5105390
vin 1G1YY32G5Y5105390
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St. Jude Donor '03-'04
Originally Posted by sshole
Im wondering if my corvette didnt have more miles on it than it says since i bought a 2000 with only 20xxx miles on it and there seems to be a bit of valvetrain noise and one of the screws holding the cluster shroud in is the incorrect screw.Maybe just me but im wondering.Is there any way of seeing if it has more miles than the cluster reads?
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Originally Posted by GTC
My new '04 had some bad pixels in the DIC, and they replaced the cluster. My vette came out of the shop with fewer miles than when it went in. Obviously they didn't take good notes before they removed the bad cluster. It looks like they used the mileage from my previous visit (a week or so earlier) when they witnessed the problem and ordered the replacement cluster.
Melting Slicks
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From: Macomb MI
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Originally Posted by 00hotvette
Sponge Vette can you please please run mine.I got it with only 15k its a 00 vert auto and noticed the brake pedal worn on one side. 15k? vin 1G1YY32G5Y5105390
vin 1G1YY32G5Y5105390Merchandising Model : 1YY67 -2000 CORVETTE CONVERTIBLE Warranty Start Date : 09/28/1999
BARS Order Type : 60 - RETAIL - SOLD
Delivering Dealer : NORTH YORK CHEVROLET OLDSMOBILE LTD.
7200 YONGE STREET
THORNHILL , ON L4J1V8
(905) 881-5000
VEHICLE BUILD
Merchandising Model : 1YY67 -2000 CORVETTE CONVERTIBLE
Gross Vehicle Weight Rating : 1682 kg (3709 lb) Order Number : A12226
Build Date : 09/09/1999 Build Plant : 1Y5Y - BOWLING GREEN
OPTION CODES
AAB - MEMORY PACKAGE:OSRV MIRRORS, RADIO,AIR COND,DRIVER PWR SEAT. AG2 - POWER PASSENGER SEAT, 6 WAY
AK5 - RESTRAINT SYSTEM - AIR BAG, DRIVER AND PASSENGER SIDE AQ9 - ARTICULATED SPORT BUCKETS WITH LEATHER SEATING SURFACE
BGR B34 - FRONT CARPETED FLOOR MATS
CJ2 - AIR CONDITIONING - ELECTRONIC CLIMATE CONTROL DUAL ZONE C05 - FOLDING CONVERTIBLE ROOF
DL8 - MIRRORS - ELECTRIC REMOTE O/S WITH DEFOG FEATURE FE1 - SOFT RIDE SUSPENSION
FE9 GU2 - 2.73 REAR AXLE RATIO
IL3 JL4 - CONTROL ACTIVE BRAKE
JL9 - BRAKES - ANTI-LOCK K05 - HEATER - ENGINE BLOCK
K63 LS1 - ENGINE: 5.7L V8 345 HP SFI ALUM
MX0 - 4-SPEED AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION M30 - 4-SP ELECTRONIC AUTO/OVERDRIVE
NF2 - FEDERAL EMISSION SYSTEM NK4 - STEERING WHEEL - SPORT LEATHER
N37 - TILT/TELESCOPIC STEERING WHEEL QD4
R7K - MISSING OPTION CREDIT T96 - FOG LAMPS
UN0 - DELCO BOSE AM/FM STEREO, S/S, COMPACT DISC, CLOCK, AUTO TONE,THEFTLOCK,6 SPKR SYSTEM UV6 - HEAD-UP DISPLAY (HUD)
UZ6 U1S - REMOTE COMPACT DISC CHANGER 12 DISC MAGAZINE
U19 - KILO SPEEDOMETER U52 - INSTRUMENTATION - ELECTRONIC
U75 - AUTOMATIC POWER ANTENNA V49 - LICENSE PLATE FRAME
V73 - STATEMENT OF VEHICLE CERT.-U.S. /CANADA XGG
YGH Z49 - CANADIAN BASE EQUIPMENT
1SB - PREFERRED EQUIP. GROUP - 1SB ** 10U - ARCTIC WHITE
19I - GRAY INTERIOR TRIM 193 - BLACK LEATHER
41T - TOP COLOUR - BLACK
CLAIM HISTORY
R.O Date R.O Number Type Labor Operation Odometer Reading
07/23/2001 360676 # V0743 - ECL RELAY HARNESS REPLACE 8783 Kilometres
05/02/2001 358255 # H2840 - CONTROL ASSEMBLY, PARKING BRAKE - REPLACE 7193 Kilometres
04/25/2001 358034 # R0480 - ANTENNA ASSEMBLY, POWER (COMPLETE) - REPLACE 6984 Kilometres
04/25/2001 358034 # Z7911 - 2-WAY SHUTTLE COURTESY TRANSPORTATION 6984 Kilometres
03/30/2001 357322 # N0528 - BULBS, LAMP - EXTERIOR - REPLACE 6703 Kilometres
03/30/2001 357322 # Z7911 - 2-WAY SHUTTLE COURTESY TRANSPORTATION 6703 Kilometres
06/28/2000 350041 # N4920 - MODULE, LOCAL INTERFACE UNIT - DOOR - RIGHT - REPLACE 3669 Kilometres
06/28/2000 350041 G N4920 - MODULE, LOCAL INTERFACE UNIT - DOOR - RIGHT - REPLACE 3669 Kilometres
06/28/2000 350041 # Z7911 - 2-WAY SHUTTLE COURTESY TRANSPORTATION 3669 Kilometres
06/22/2000 349863 # Z7911 - 2-WAY SHUTTLE COURTESY TRANSPORTATION 3545 Kilometres
05/16/2000 348711 # N6616 - WIRING AND/OR CONNECTOR - SERIAL DATA/DLC/STAR CONNECTOR - 2638 Kilometres
09/09/1999 505390 I Z7000 - PRE-DELIVERY INSPECTION - BASE TIME 0 Kilometres
