[Z06] Corvette Quarterly comparison
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[QUOTE=xlr8nflorida]
Haha.. partly frame? Like I said earlier.... Unibody... get over it.
Let's see... $60K+ in 1990 = $90K in todays dollars... Imagine what the Z06 would be like today if they had used the same ratio of dollars spent. Your comparisons don't make any sense.
Yet GM built the LS6 in-house without having lotus involved or using DOHC, multi valves, etc... imagine what they could have done with all that money today... Yet they went the cheaper route and still produced an engine with a bit more power... And you say thats not much progress... Yeah right.
"Right, but you said the Z06 was a bigger event then the ZR-1.
Z06's are still compared to ZR-1s after 14 years. Will the Z06 be competitive with the 2015 Vette??
Answer: No, it almost gets dethoned by a BASE MODEL C6 in just a few years after production."
I never said the Z06 was a bigger event than the ZR-1. I just said it was better in almost every way.... as it should be for the newer generation... just like the C6 Z06 will be the badest vette ever.... until the C7 comes along...
Until then, the Z06 is the king... live with it...
mike
Originally Posted by C5~Missle
You own one, you should know:
The GM Service Manual identifies a number of lifting locations for the C4, but they all have one thing in common, they lift on the exposed portion of the uni-body frame. The C4 is different then all other generations of Corvette in that the frame in integral with the fiberglass body.
The C5 has a full hydroformed frame and is not integrated with the fibgerglass.. We don't have any jacking restrictions and don't have to open the doors.
The chassis was partly unibody, partly frame since 84.
Common? Look again.. 5600 Z06's in 04. Thats not very common... but in a good way to keep the cost down.
Thats alot! Of course you pick the commerative year. Is it alot compared to 448 95ZR-1s? How about the mass produced ones Z06's from 2001-2004? Share that # with us.
Yeah but since Cars improve so much, how come it took took 12 years for the ZR-1 to be oudone 0-60 but still not top end but your Z06 barely beats a car that is only 1 year older??
I think you know my point, the ZR-1 dominated those cars the Z06 does not. Oh but the exotics are quicker now huh? They weren't in 1990 though? Give me a break
THe Z06 competes with these at less than half the cost. The ZR-1 at the time was as expensive.... so what..
Yes, the Z06 competes nicely for 50% of the cost however it dosen't come close nor can it even consider dominating exotics. Have you checked their HP lately? You have the same HP that was in the ZR-1 eons ago.
The point is that the C6 should be better than the C5... I don't care and I'm glad it is. Don't see why that would bother anyone...
Right, but you said the Z06 was a bigger event then the ZR-1.
Z06's are still compared to ZR-1s after 14 years. Will the Z06 be competitive with the 2015 Vette??
Answer: No, it almost gets dethoned by a BASE MODEL C6 in just a few years after production.
The ZR-1 was important in that it showed Corvette as a dominant player in the sports car world both in US & Internationally. It sparked more interest in the car and the regular C4 took on similar body styling which sold more C4's in the long term so that we could ultimately have your precious C5.
The GM Service Manual identifies a number of lifting locations for the C4, but they all have one thing in common, they lift on the exposed portion of the uni-body frame. The C4 is different then all other generations of Corvette in that the frame in integral with the fiberglass body.
The C5 has a full hydroformed frame and is not integrated with the fibgerglass.. We don't have any jacking restrictions and don't have to open the doors.
The chassis was partly unibody, partly frame since 84.
Common? Look again.. 5600 Z06's in 04. Thats not very common... but in a good way to keep the cost down.
Thats alot! Of course you pick the commerative year. Is it alot compared to 448 95ZR-1s? How about the mass produced ones Z06's from 2001-2004? Share that # with us.
Yeah but since Cars improve so much, how come it took took 12 years for the ZR-1 to be oudone 0-60 but still not top end but your Z06 barely beats a car that is only 1 year older??
I think you know my point, the ZR-1 dominated those cars the Z06 does not. Oh but the exotics are quicker now huh? They weren't in 1990 though? Give me a break
THe Z06 competes with these at less than half the cost. The ZR-1 at the time was as expensive.... so what..
Yes, the Z06 competes nicely for 50% of the cost however it dosen't come close nor can it even consider dominating exotics. Have you checked their HP lately? You have the same HP that was in the ZR-1 eons ago.
The point is that the C6 should be better than the C5... I don't care and I'm glad it is. Don't see why that would bother anyone...
Right, but you said the Z06 was a bigger event then the ZR-1.
Z06's are still compared to ZR-1s after 14 years. Will the Z06 be competitive with the 2015 Vette??
Answer: No, it almost gets dethoned by a BASE MODEL C6 in just a few years after production.
The ZR-1 was important in that it showed Corvette as a dominant player in the sports car world both in US & Internationally. It sparked more interest in the car and the regular C4 took on similar body styling which sold more C4's in the long term so that we could ultimately have your precious C5.
Let's see... $60K+ in 1990 = $90K in todays dollars... Imagine what the Z06 would be like today if they had used the same ratio of dollars spent. Your comparisons don't make any sense.
Yet GM built the LS6 in-house without having lotus involved or using DOHC, multi valves, etc... imagine what they could have done with all that money today... Yet they went the cheaper route and still produced an engine with a bit more power... And you say thats not much progress... Yeah right.
"Right, but you said the Z06 was a bigger event then the ZR-1.
Z06's are still compared to ZR-1s after 14 years. Will the Z06 be competitive with the 2015 Vette??
Answer: No, it almost gets dethoned by a BASE MODEL C6 in just a few years after production."
I never said the Z06 was a bigger event than the ZR-1. I just said it was better in almost every way.... as it should be for the newer generation... just like the C6 Z06 will be the badest vette ever.... until the C7 comes along...
Until then, the Z06 is the king... live with it...
mike
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From: N Carolina 08 Z51 Coupe
Here is an interesting read...
http://www.autofacts.ca/classics/fast.htm
Like they say.... there is always someone faster....
mike
http://www.autofacts.ca/classics/fast.htm
Like they say.... there is always someone faster....
mike
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Originally Posted by C5~Missle
Here is an interesting read...
http://www.autofacts.ca/classics/fast.htm
Like they say.... there is always someone faster....
mike
http://www.autofacts.ca/classics/fast.htm
Like they say.... there is always someone faster....
mike
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An everyday common place Z06 bests the ZR-1 in almost every area of performance, comfort and handling at a much lower cost in todays dollars.... thats quite an achivement... more so than the ZR-1 was in its time. 
I'd much rather have a ZR-1 over a Z06.
Damn Z06's are a steal some in the 20's and low 30's.
Nice ZR-1s are still bringing 50% of their original price
If I wanted a Z06, I would have bought one.
I'd much rather have a ZR-1 over a Z06.
Damn Z06's are a steal some in the 20's and low 30's.
Nice ZR-1s are still bringing 50% of their original price
If I wanted a Z06, I would have bought one.
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=xlr8nflorida]An everyday common place Z06 bests the ZR-1 in almost every area of performance, comfort and handling at a much lower cost in todays dollars.... thats quite an achivement... more so than the ZR-1 was in its time.
I'd much rather have a ZR-1 over a Z06.
Good for you.. so why are you in here?
Damn Z06's are a steal some in the 20's and low 30's.
depends on the year.. starting at low 30's maybe.
Nice ZR-1s are still bringing 50% of their original price
If I wanted a Z06, I would have bought one.[/QUOTE]
So what? In 14 years the Z06's will also be scarce and bring a much higher value.. who knows what the future years will bring. All vettes go up in value after time....
and your point once again is ?
I'd much rather have a ZR-1 over a Z06.
Good for you.. so why are you in here?
Damn Z06's are a steal some in the 20's and low 30's.
depends on the year.. starting at low 30's maybe.
Nice ZR-1s are still bringing 50% of their original price
If I wanted a Z06, I would have bought one.
[/QUOTE]So what? In 14 years the Z06's will also be scarce and bring a much higher value.. who knows what the future years will bring. All vettes go up in value after time....
and your point once again is ?
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[QUOTE=xlr8nflorida]
How about a ZR-1, a C5 Z06 and a C6 Z06? That would truly be
special. On a Speed Channel program about the '63-'67 Sting Ray,
they had a clip of a red ZR-1 that sure was sweet looking. I personally
no longer see the point in arguing with other 'vette owners over
differences with the cars, bragging rights, etc. They're all 'vettes, after
all. Each one is unique and great in its own right.
Originally Posted by slong
No one man can say he would not want both the ZR1 and Z06 sleeping in there garage. That would be sweet! Hey!!! My first hi-jacking.
Nice thread hi jacking
Let's not beat an old horse. I love the Z06 but as you can tell I'm passionate about the ZR-1 as well.
One day maybe I can put both in my garage.
Nice thread hi jacking
Let's not beat an old horse. I love the Z06 but as you can tell I'm passionate about the ZR-1 as well.
One day maybe I can put both in my garage.
special. On a Speed Channel program about the '63-'67 Sting Ray,
they had a clip of a red ZR-1 that sure was sweet looking. I personally
no longer see the point in arguing with other 'vette owners over
differences with the cars, bragging rights, etc. They're all 'vettes, after
all. Each one is unique and great in its own right.
Last edited by 08msmZ06; Dec 5, 2004 at 08:28 PM.
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Originally Posted by THEDVS1
You kiddin' me? 1.11 secs a lap is a LOT! Long-live the "baddest vette to date"!!
BTW, where can I find this mag? Is it online anywhere? I'd love to read the article.
BTW, where can I find this mag? Is it online anywhere? I'd love to read the article.
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Originally Posted by Cobra4B
And I have hours of footage to proove it. A few weeks back a bunch of forum members ran the G&W fall fling. One guy had a green ZR-1 running on race tires. He hated letting us Z06's by b/c he had "the king of the hill". I went into the back straight curious to see if the moster top end was true... I pulled 7 cars on him. He was trying and trying hard per our conversations in the pits. My lowly '01 ain't as slow as many would like to think they are. I pulled a good four cars on my buddies '03 Z06 w/ intake and stingers. My only other mods are LT headers and an aluminum flywheel.Last edited by xlr8nflorida; Dec 5, 2004 at 09:56 PM.
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I'm not talking about final top speed, I'm talking about clearly out accelerating the ZR-1 from Oak Tree (at VIR) which is a 2nd or 3rd gear turn depending on how you want to drive it at about 45 mph (never really looked down) all the way to 150 at the end of the back straight. There sin't much skill to making one gear shift in the ZR-1 3rd-4th and hanging on for the ride. As for my car being a freak.... it's not. It made 371 rwhp and 374 rwtq w/ intake, headers, hiflo cats, and a catback.
Like I said I have always heard the ZR-1's are faster over 120, but it ain't true.
Like I said I have always heard the ZR-1's are faster over 120, but it ain't true.
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Like I said I have always heard the ZR-1's are faster over 120, but it ain't true.[/QUOTE]
I think the Z is quicker but it might not be until 140 or 150.
I think you have a monster 2001 as well and LT'5s can vary in strength.
I think the Z is quicker but it might not be until 140 or 150.
I think you have a monster 2001 as well and LT'5s can vary in strength.
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Originally Posted by xlr8nflorida
Wow you must have a monster 2001 Z06. On the top end a ZR-1 will beat a Z06 all day long and at the end of the day will do 180+ a speed that is ubobtainable for your Z06. That driver must have been pretty ****ty
The ZR1 still has the advantage for endurance, nothing can touch it as far as just running top speed all day long.
how are the R/c Models coming along?
I'm gonna have to start putting a copyright on all my witty sayings.
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Originally Posted by xlr8nflorida
Wow you must have a monster 2001 Z06. On the top end a ZR-1 will beat a Z06 all day long and at the end of the day will do 180+ a speed that is ubobtainable for your Z06. That driver must have been pretty ****ty
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Originally Posted by Fastgenious
I own both and the Z06 is by far a much more refined sports car. Enough said!
Plus noone is debating that it is a refined sports car.
Plus never seen a post in ZR-1 section from you.
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Originally Posted by xlr8nflorida
Funny just a month ago you didn't own a ZR-1 - you said you drove one
Plus noone is debating that it is a refined sports car.
Plus never seen a post in ZR-1 section from you.
Plus noone is debating that it is a refined sports car.
Plus never seen a post in ZR-1 section from you.
Also, why would I post on a ZR-1 board? I think you should stay over in the ZR-1 section and get over the fact that the C5 Z06 and the upcoming C6 Z06 are at a different level of automotive progression then the ZR-1's! Get over it!
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The ZO6 v. ZR-1 threads can get tiresome -- particularly when they degenerate into a pissin' match. 
Remember that each of these cars is a Corvette and we're supposed to be Corvette enthusiasts.
Get along or be gone.
Remember that each of these cars is a Corvette and we're supposed to be Corvette enthusiasts.
Get along or be gone.
