[Z06] Corvette Quarterly comparison
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CQ is all about buying a new C6. Glad to see they still like the Z06 too. I like the comment on page 32 best; ...What's most incredible is that the new C6, right out of the box, comes so close to the baddest Corvette to date. Sorry ZR1 fans, this info came from GM. 
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Originally Posted by slong
CQ is all about buying a new C6. Glad to see they still like the Z06 too. I like the comment on page 32 best; ...What's most incredible is that the new C6, right out of the box, comes so close to the baddest Corvette to date. Sorry ZR1 fans, this info came from GM.
Nice ! 
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Yes, only 1.11 seconds faster per lap than the Z51 C6; but, then again the ZO6 was probably only 2 seconds slower than a full race LeMans car (per the article). As was said earlier, a 1 second difference would mean the car would very likely get lapped in a race.
Still, the better engineering in the C6 will make it very tempting for me once they introduce a ZO6 replacement. I hope this is a couple years away though because I really love my Z!
Chuck
Still, the better engineering in the C6 will make it very tempting for me once they introduce a ZO6 replacement. I hope this is a couple years away though because I really love my Z!
Chuck
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So true. 
Originally Posted by Chuck Harmon
Yes, only 1.11 seconds faster per lap than the Z51 C6; but, then again the ZO6 was probably only 2 seconds slower than a full race LeMans car (per the article). As was said earlier, a 1 second difference would mean the car would very likely get lapped in a race.
Still, the better engineering in the C6 will make it very tempting for me once they introduce a ZO6 replacement. I hope this is a couple years away though because I really love my Z!
Chuck
Still, the better engineering in the C6 will make it very tempting for me once they introduce a ZO6 replacement. I hope this is a couple years away though because I really love my Z!
Chuck
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Sorry ZR1 fans, this info came from GM. [/QUOTE]
The difference is slight at best and the ZR-1 has a higher top end.
The ZR-1 dominated in its time - The Fastest Sports Car in the world.
It beat Ferraris, Porsches, Lambos and dominated other exotic cars.
Can your Z06 beat todays Ferraris, Porches, Lambos?
It beat the 2001 Z06 hands down and it wasn't until the later models that the Z06 edged it slightly. Gee, I would hope it would do better then just edge it out especially after 12+ Years. I'll wait for the C6 Z06 - maybe that will be a quantom leap in HP just like the ZR-1 was over the L98.
[/QUOTE] The difference is slight at best and the ZR-1 has a higher top end.The ZR-1 dominated in its time - The Fastest Sports Car in the world.
It beat Ferraris, Porsches, Lambos and dominated other exotic cars.
Can your Z06 beat todays Ferraris, Porches, Lambos?
It beat the 2001 Z06 hands down and it wasn't until the later models that the Z06 edged it slightly. Gee, I would hope it would do better then just edge it out especially after 12+ Years. I'll wait for the C6 Z06 - maybe that will be a quantom leap in HP just like the ZR-1 was over the L98.
Last edited by xlr8nflorida; Dec 5, 2004 at 04:56 PM.
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Originally Posted by xlr8nflorida
Sorry ZR1 fans, this info came from GM.
The difference is slight at best and the ZR-1 has a higher top end.The ZR-1 dominated in its time - The Fastest Sports Car in the world.
It beat Ferraris, Porsches, Lambos and dominated other exotic cars.
Can your Z06 beat todays Ferraris, Porches, Lambos?
It beat the 2001 Z06 hands down and it wasn't until the later models that the Z06 edged it slightly. Gee, I would hope it would do better then just edge it out especially after 12+ Years. I'll wait for the C6 Z06 - maybe that will be a quantom leap in HP just like the ZR-1 was over the L98.
[/QUOTE]The ZR-1 was $60K plus in the early 90's. The ZR-1 was a lotus designed engine and not built by GM.
The ZR-1/C4 was a unibody construction.
The Z06 is a true GM SBC that out powers the DOHC special built expensive engine used in the ZR-1. The Z06 is also tighter, lighter and rides MUCH better. Not to mention the better MPG, comfort items, etc...
An everyday common place Z06 bests the ZR-1 in almost every area of performance, comfort and handling at a much lower cost in todays dollars.... thats quite an achivement... more so than the ZR-1 was in its time.
There are a few running Z06's in the mid to high 11's @ 118 with nothing but drag radials.
mike
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The ZR-1 was $60K plus in the early 90's. The ZR-1 was a lotus designed engine and not built by GM.
The LT5 was designed and developed by General Motors' Group Lotus Division in Hethel, England, and was manufactored under contract by Mercury Marine in Stillwater, Oklahoma. GM's C-P-C group actively participated in the design process.
The LT5 was 50% power increase over the current L98 in 1990.
Your Z06 is 11% stronger then a LS1 in 2001 and 17% stronger in its 405HP format.
Fastest Production car in the world in 1990.
Fastest Production Vette up to 2005.
You think it should have cost $5,000 more over a L98?
The ZR-1/C4 was a unibody construction.
The C4 has a frame and is not unibody.
The Z06 is a true GM SBC that out powers the DOHC special built expensive engine used in the ZR-1.
They are both 405 HP. The main reason the Z06 edges it is because the car hooks better, has different gearing and is lighter.
The Z06 is also tighter, lighter and rides MUCH better. Not to mention the better MPG, comfort items, etc...
Wow GM improved on the car after 14 years
An everyday common place Z06 bests the ZR-1 in almost every area of performance, comfort and handling at a much lower cost in todays dollars.
You just don't get it. Common is correct - a dime a dozen.
thats quite an achivement... more so than the ZR-1 was in its time.
Are your smoking crack?
"Fastest Production car in the world in 1990."
World Record Previously Held for 50 Years!
NEW INTERNATIONAL RECORDS
100 Miles @ 175.600 MPH
500 Miles @ 175.503 MPH
1000 Miles @ 174.428 MPH
5000 KM @ 175.710 MPH
5000 Miles @ 173.791 MPH
12 Hours Endurance @ 175.523 MPH
24 Hours Endurance @ 175.885 MPH for 4,221.256 Miles
WORLD RECORDS - IRRESPECTIVE of CATEGORY or CLASS
5000 KM @ 175.710 MPH
5000 Miles @ 173.791 MPH
4,221.256 Miles @ 175.885 MPH
There are a few running Z06's in the mid to high 11's @ 118 with nothing but drag radials.
mike
Hey if that excites you - Heck the new C6 can almost do that.
The new C6 Z06 will at least have some ***** but probably not 50% increase in horsepower over the Z06. Thats what the car needs so it can dominate Ferrari, Porsche, and Lambos like the ZR-1 did in 1990.
The LT5 was designed and developed by General Motors' Group Lotus Division in Hethel, England, and was manufactored under contract by Mercury Marine in Stillwater, Oklahoma. GM's C-P-C group actively participated in the design process.
The LT5 was 50% power increase over the current L98 in 1990.
Your Z06 is 11% stronger then a LS1 in 2001 and 17% stronger in its 405HP format.
Fastest Production car in the world in 1990.
Fastest Production Vette up to 2005.
You think it should have cost $5,000 more over a L98?
The ZR-1/C4 was a unibody construction.
The C4 has a frame and is not unibody.
The Z06 is a true GM SBC that out powers the DOHC special built expensive engine used in the ZR-1.
They are both 405 HP. The main reason the Z06 edges it is because the car hooks better, has different gearing and is lighter.
The Z06 is also tighter, lighter and rides MUCH better. Not to mention the better MPG, comfort items, etc...
Wow GM improved on the car after 14 years
An everyday common place Z06 bests the ZR-1 in almost every area of performance, comfort and handling at a much lower cost in todays dollars.
You just don't get it. Common is correct - a dime a dozen.
thats quite an achivement... more so than the ZR-1 was in its time.
Are your smoking crack?
"Fastest Production car in the world in 1990."
World Record Previously Held for 50 Years!
NEW INTERNATIONAL RECORDS
100 Miles @ 175.600 MPH
500 Miles @ 175.503 MPH
1000 Miles @ 174.428 MPH
5000 KM @ 175.710 MPH
5000 Miles @ 173.791 MPH
12 Hours Endurance @ 175.523 MPH
24 Hours Endurance @ 175.885 MPH for 4,221.256 Miles
WORLD RECORDS - IRRESPECTIVE of CATEGORY or CLASS
5000 KM @ 175.710 MPH
5000 Miles @ 173.791 MPH
4,221.256 Miles @ 175.885 MPH
There are a few running Z06's in the mid to high 11's @ 118 with nothing but drag radials.
mike
Hey if that excites you - Heck the new C6 can almost do that.
The new C6 Z06 will at least have some ***** but probably not 50% increase in horsepower over the Z06. Thats what the car needs so it can dominate Ferrari, Porsche, and Lambos like the ZR-1 did in 1990.
Last edited by xlr8nflorida; Dec 5, 2004 at 04:56 PM.
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No one man can say he would not want both the ZR1 and Z06 sleeping in there garage. That would be sweet! Hey!!! My first hi-jacking.
The difference is slight at best and the ZR-1 has a higher top end.
The ZR-1 dominated in its time - The Fastest Sports Car in the world.
It beat Ferraris, Porsches, Lambos and dominated other exotic cars.
Can your Z06 beat todays Ferraris, Porches, Lambos?
It beat the 2001 Z06 hands down and it wasn't until the later models that the Z06 edged it slightly. Gee, I would hope it would do better then just edge it out especially after 12+ Years. I'll wait for the C6 Z06 - maybe that will be a quantom leap in HP just like the ZR-1 was over the L98.
[/QUOTE]
Originally Posted by xlr8nflorida
Sorry ZR1 fans, this info came from GM.
The difference is slight at best and the ZR-1 has a higher top end.The ZR-1 dominated in its time - The Fastest Sports Car in the world.
It beat Ferraris, Porsches, Lambos and dominated other exotic cars.
Can your Z06 beat todays Ferraris, Porches, Lambos?
It beat the 2001 Z06 hands down and it wasn't until the later models that the Z06 edged it slightly. Gee, I would hope it would do better then just edge it out especially after 12+ Years. I'll wait for the C6 Z06 - maybe that will be a quantom leap in HP just like the ZR-1 was over the L98.
[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=slong]No one man can say he would not want both the ZR1 and Z06 sleeping in there garage. That would be sweet! Hey!!! My first hi-jacking.
Nice thread hi jacking
Let's not beat an old horse. I love the Z06 but as you can tell I'm passionate about the ZR-1 as well.
One day maybe I can put both in my garage.
Nice thread hi jacking
Let's not beat an old horse. I love the Z06 but as you can tell I'm passionate about the ZR-1 as well.
One day maybe I can put both in my garage.
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From: N Carolina 08 Z51 Coupe
Originally Posted by xlr8nflorida
The ZR-1 was $60K plus in the early 90's. The ZR-1 was a lotus designed engine and not built by GM.
The LT5 was designed and developed by General Motors' Group Lotus Division in Hethel, England, and was manufactored under contract by Mercury Marine in Stillwater, Oklahoma. GM's C-P-C group actively participated in the design process.
The LT5 was 50% power increase over the current L98 in 1990.
Your Z06 is 11% stronger then a LS1 in 2001 and 17% stronger in its 405HP format.
Fastest Production car in the world in 1990.
Fastest Production Vette up to 2005.
You think it should have cost $5,000 more over a L98?
The ZR-1/C4 was a unibody construction.
The C4 has a frame and is not unibody.
The Z06 is a true GM SBC that out powers the DOHC special built expensive engine used in the ZR-1.
They are both 405 HP. The main reason the Z06 edges it is because the car hooks better, has different gearing and is lighter.
The Z06 is also tighter, lighter and rides MUCH better. Not to mention the better MPG, comfort items, etc...
Wow GM improved on the car after 14 years
An everyday common place Z06 bests the ZR-1 in almost every area of performance, comfort and handling at a much lower cost in todays dollars.
You just don't get it. Common is correct - a dime a dozen.
thats quite an achivement... more so than the ZR-1 was in its time.
Are your smoking crack?
"Fastest Production car in the world in 1990."
World Record Previously Held for 50 Years!
NEW INTERNATIONAL RECORDS
100 Miles @ 175.600 MPH
500 Miles @ 175.503 MPH
1000 Miles @ 174.428 MPH
5000 KM @ 175.710 MPH
5000 Miles @ 173.791 MPH
12 Hours Endurance @ 175.523 MPH
24 Hours Endurance @ 175.885 MPH for 4,221.256 Miles
WORLD RECORDS - IRRESPECTIVE of CATEGORY or CLASS
5000 KM @ 175.710 MPH
5000 Miles @ 173.791 MPH
4,221.256 Miles @ 175.885 MPH
There are a few running Z06's in the mid to high 11's @ 118 with nothing but drag radials.
mike
Hey if that excites you - Heck the new C6 can almost do that.
The new C6 Z06 will at least have some ***** but probably not 50% increase in horsepower over the Z06. Thats what the car needs so it can dominate Ferrari, Porsche, and Lambos like the ZR-1 did in 1990.
The LT5 was designed and developed by General Motors' Group Lotus Division in Hethel, England, and was manufactored under contract by Mercury Marine in Stillwater, Oklahoma. GM's C-P-C group actively participated in the design process.
The LT5 was 50% power increase over the current L98 in 1990.
Your Z06 is 11% stronger then a LS1 in 2001 and 17% stronger in its 405HP format.
Fastest Production car in the world in 1990.
Fastest Production Vette up to 2005.
You think it should have cost $5,000 more over a L98?
The ZR-1/C4 was a unibody construction.
The C4 has a frame and is not unibody.
The Z06 is a true GM SBC that out powers the DOHC special built expensive engine used in the ZR-1.
They are both 405 HP. The main reason the Z06 edges it is because the car hooks better, has different gearing and is lighter.
The Z06 is also tighter, lighter and rides MUCH better. Not to mention the better MPG, comfort items, etc...
Wow GM improved on the car after 14 years
An everyday common place Z06 bests the ZR-1 in almost every area of performance, comfort and handling at a much lower cost in todays dollars.
You just don't get it. Common is correct - a dime a dozen.
thats quite an achivement... more so than the ZR-1 was in its time.
Are your smoking crack?
"Fastest Production car in the world in 1990."
World Record Previously Held for 50 Years!
NEW INTERNATIONAL RECORDS
100 Miles @ 175.600 MPH
500 Miles @ 175.503 MPH
1000 Miles @ 174.428 MPH
5000 KM @ 175.710 MPH
5000 Miles @ 173.791 MPH
12 Hours Endurance @ 175.523 MPH
24 Hours Endurance @ 175.885 MPH for 4,221.256 Miles
WORLD RECORDS - IRRESPECTIVE of CATEGORY or CLASS
5000 KM @ 175.710 MPH
5000 Miles @ 173.791 MPH
4,221.256 Miles @ 175.885 MPH
There are a few running Z06's in the mid to high 11's @ 118 with nothing but drag radials.
mike
Hey if that excites you - Heck the new C6 can almost do that.
The new C6 Z06 will at least have some ***** but probably not 50% increase in horsepower over the Z06. Thats what the car needs so it can dominate Ferrari, Porsche, and Lambos like the ZR-1 did in 1990.
The GM Service Manual identifies a number of lifting locations for the C4, but they all have one thing in common, they lift on the exposed portion of the uni-body frame. The C4 is different then all other generations of Corvette in that the frame in integral with the fiberglass body.
The C5 has a full hydroformed frame and is not integrated with the fibgerglass.. We don't have any jacking restrictions and don't have to open the doors.
Common? Look again.. 5600 Z06's in 04. Thats not very common... but in a good way to keep the cost down.
"Hey if that excites you - Heck the new C6 can almost do that.
The new C6 Z06 will at least have some ***** but probably not 50% increase in horsepower over the Z06. Thats what the car needs so it can dominate Ferrari, Porsche, and Lambos like the ZR-1 did in 1990."
The C6 should be as fast or faster... They improve every year, something you don't seem to be aware of. The Ferraris, lambos and whatever are quicker today then back then... so whats your point? The Z06 competes with these at less than half the cost. The ZR-1 at the time was as expensive.... so what..
The point is that the C6 should be better than the C5... I don't care and I'm glad it is. Don't see why that would bother anyone...
nuff said...
mike
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The C6 Z will be great for sure but the Z in the next few years will really be the one to get, not the first one. G. M. knows we will want the first C6Z. Thats why the lack of a Z in 2005, to build up the demand. Very good marketing huh? My opinion anyways.... 
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Originally Posted by xlr8nflorida
The difference is slight at best and the ZR-1 has a higher top end.It beat the 2001 Z06 hands down and it wasn't until the later models that the Z06 edged it slightly.
And I have hours of footage to proove it. A few weeks back a bunch of forum members ran the G&W fall fling. One guy had a green ZR-1 running on race tires. He hated letting us Z06's by b/c he had "the king of the hill". I went into the back straight curious to see if the moster top end was true... I pulled 7 cars on him. He was trying and trying hard per our conversations in the pits. My lowly '01 ain't as slow as many would like to think they are. I pulled a good four cars on my buddies '03 Z06 w/ intake and stingers. My only other mods are LT headers and an aluminum flywheel.
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[QUOTE=C5~Missle]You own one, you should know:
The GM Service Manual identifies a number of lifting locations for the C4, but they all have one thing in common, they lift on the exposed portion of the uni-body frame. The C4 is different then all other generations of Corvette in that the frame in integral with the fiberglass body.
The C5 has a full hydroformed frame and is not integrated with the fibgerglass.. We don't have any jacking restrictions and don't have to open the doors.
The chassis was partly unibody, partly frame since 84.
Common? Look again.. 5600 Z06's in 04. Thats not very common... but in a good way to keep the cost down.
Thats alot! Of course you pick the commerative year. Is it alot compared to 448 95ZR-1s? How about the mass produced ones Z06's from 2001-2004? Share that # with us.
Yeah but since Cars improve so much, how come it took took 12 years for the ZR-1 to be oudone 0-60 but still not top end but your Z06 barely beats a car that is only 1 year older??
I think you know my point, the ZR-1 dominated those cars the Z06 does not. Oh but the exotics are quicker now huh? They weren't in 1990 though? Give me a break
THe Z06 competes with these at less than half the cost. The ZR-1 at the time was as expensive.... so what..
Yes, the Z06 competes nicely for 50% of the cost however it dosen't come close nor can it even consider dominating exotics. Have you checked their HP lately? You have the same HP that was in the ZR-1 eons ago.
The point is that the C6 should be better than the C5... I don't care and I'm glad it is. Don't see why that would bother anyone...
Right, but you said the Z06 was a bigger event then the ZR-1.
Z06's are still compared to ZR-1s after 14 years. Will the Z06 be competitive with the 2015 Vette??
Answer: No, it almost gets dethoned by a BASE MODEL C6 in just a few years after production.
The ZR-1 was important in that it showed Corvette as a dominant player in the sports car world both in US & Internationally. It sparked more interest in the car and the regular C4 took on similar body styling which sold more C4's in the long term so that we could ultimately have your precious C5.
The GM Service Manual identifies a number of lifting locations for the C4, but they all have one thing in common, they lift on the exposed portion of the uni-body frame. The C4 is different then all other generations of Corvette in that the frame in integral with the fiberglass body.
The C5 has a full hydroformed frame and is not integrated with the fibgerglass.. We don't have any jacking restrictions and don't have to open the doors.
The chassis was partly unibody, partly frame since 84.
Common? Look again.. 5600 Z06's in 04. Thats not very common... but in a good way to keep the cost down.
Thats alot! Of course you pick the commerative year. Is it alot compared to 448 95ZR-1s? How about the mass produced ones Z06's from 2001-2004? Share that # with us.
Yeah but since Cars improve so much, how come it took took 12 years for the ZR-1 to be oudone 0-60 but still not top end but your Z06 barely beats a car that is only 1 year older??
I think you know my point, the ZR-1 dominated those cars the Z06 does not. Oh but the exotics are quicker now huh? They weren't in 1990 though? Give me a break
THe Z06 competes with these at less than half the cost. The ZR-1 at the time was as expensive.... so what..
Yes, the Z06 competes nicely for 50% of the cost however it dosen't come close nor can it even consider dominating exotics. Have you checked their HP lately? You have the same HP that was in the ZR-1 eons ago.
The point is that the C6 should be better than the C5... I don't care and I'm glad it is. Don't see why that would bother anyone...
Right, but you said the Z06 was a bigger event then the ZR-1.
Z06's are still compared to ZR-1s after 14 years. Will the Z06 be competitive with the 2015 Vette??
Answer: No, it almost gets dethoned by a BASE MODEL C6 in just a few years after production.
The ZR-1 was important in that it showed Corvette as a dominant player in the sports car world both in US & Internationally. It sparked more interest in the car and the regular C4 took on similar body styling which sold more C4's in the long term so that we could ultimately have your precious C5.