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Old Dec 22, 2004 | 02:41 PM
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I was getting the nasty Pull Key and Wait 10 seconds message
and was getting concerned the column lock was about to do
a number on me. I got the nasyty message while on a trip and
the car would not start and the column was locked. After waiting
about an hour I tried it and everything worked.

One of the techs at my dealership suspected a bad key and
he was right. They order a new key a few months ago and
I have never seen the warning message again and no column
locks.

Tip of the day: If your car is acting weird and giving you
the nasty message, try your other key.

Merry Christmas to All

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Old Dec 22, 2004 | 02:46 PM
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No offense to your tech but that is a CL problem not a key problem. But that is typical of a CL to lock up and then acts normal at a later time. If it has not happend yet give it time, so go invest in the CLB and dont worry about it again.
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Old Dec 22, 2004 | 02:53 PM
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Happend to me for the first time yesterday. I have always thought that this was just an inside joke at the forum. LOL. I let it sit for about a minute or two and it started right up. Now I'm paranoid every time I get in. Will definitely invest in the CLB.
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Originally Posted by XCELER8
No offense to your tech but that is a CL problem not a key problem. But that is typical of a CL to lock up and then acts normal at a later time. If it has not happend yet give it time, so go invest in the CLB and dont worry about it again.
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My problem had nothing to do with the CL. Yes, I am aware of the CL problems but in my case the problem (pull key and wait) was due to a bad key.
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Originally Posted by 94AdmiralCoupe
Happend to me for the first time yesterday. I have always thought that this was just an inside joke at the forum. LOL. I let it sit for about a minute or two and it started right up. Now I'm paranoid every time I get in. Will definitely invest in the CLB.
Until you get the CLB, I suggest you carry the spare key. If you run
into the problem, try the spare key. Your problem could be a flakey
key. It worked on mine!
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Old Dec 22, 2004 | 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Dick Kriss
My problem had nothing to do with the CL. Yes, I am aware of the CL problems but in my case the problem (pull key and wait) was due to a bad key.
You say you had no problem with the CL, yet your steering wheel was locking. The CLB disables the pin that pops up into the locking plate. So if you disable this feature it cant occur with other problem areas. or you can get an Auto-trans lock plate to do the same thing.
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Old Dec 22, 2004 | 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by XCELER8
No offense to your tech but that is a CL problem not a key problem. But that is typical of a CL to lock up and then acts normal at a later time. If it has not happend yet give it time, so go invest in the CLB and dont worry about it again.
Jon

It is however not uncommon to get the "Remove key - Wait 10 Seconds" warning immediately prior to or when the column is in fact locking up.
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Old Dec 22, 2004 | 03:26 PM
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You can listen to your tech, or you can just walk around with confidence that it was the key, until tick, tick, tick, boom! It hits you again. Please get the column lock
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Originally Posted by XCELER8
No offense to your tech but that is a CL problem not a key problem.
Not true.

Although this message CAN be associated with the column lock, it is not ALWAYS the column lock causing the message. A bad key can definitely cause it.

Simple test: Go grind the resister pellet off your key, stick it in the ignition and turn it on... then tell us what message you get.

And then tell us how that relates to a faulty column lock.


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Originally Posted by Y2Kvert4me
Not true.

Although this message CAN be associated with the column lock, it is not ALWAYS the column lock causing the message. A bad key can definitely cause it.

Simple test: Go grind the resister pellet off your key, stick it in the ignition and turn it on... then tell us what message you get.

And then tell us how that relates to a faulty column lock.


True, but the CLB or auto-trans lock plate can prevent this from happening if it was the key or the CL itself.
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Originally Posted by Y2Kvert4me
Not true.

Although this message CAN be associated with the column lock, it is not ALWAYS the column lock causing the message. A bad key can definitely cause it.

Simple test: Go grind the resister pellet off your key, stick it in the ignition and turn it on... then tell us what message you get.

And then tell us how that relates to a faulty column lock.


I think we all understand that the message itself may not be related to column lock, but in his original post he did mention that the column locked up and he couldn't start it for an hour. Don't need to smack me on the head with a hammer to get the point
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Originally Posted by Y2Kvert4me
Not true.

Although this message CAN be associated with the column lock, it is not ALWAYS the column lock causing the message. A bad key can definitely cause it.

Simple test: Go grind the resister pellet off your key, stick it in the ignition and turn it on... then tell us what message you get.

And then tell us how that relates to a faulty column lock.





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I will bet that the message itself is triggered by the computer getting a high impedance reading from the column lock motor (indicative of a bad motor winding or a bad connector to the motor circuit). Does anyone know for sure?
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Originally Posted by NoelsTorchredZ
in his original post he did mention that the column locked up and he couldn't start it for an hour.
I think sometimes people miss the cause and effect here.

If the key was defective, then the car's security system was doing it's job. The column remain locked and it wouldn't start. That is the entire purpose of the resister pellet on the key.

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Originally Posted by Y2Kvert4me
I think sometimes people miss the cause and effect here.

If the key was defective, then the car's security system was doing it's job. The column remain locked and it wouldn't start. That is the entire purpose of the resister pellet on the key.

Right on...... that is what happend. I suspected a CL failer but it was
just a defective key. I am sure mine if not the first key to go bad and the failure mode made me suspect a CL problem.

If you see the pull key and wait message, and finally manage to get it started I suggest you carry both keys until you figure out what's going on.
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Originally Posted by Dick Kriss
Right on...... that is what happend. I suspected a CL failer but it was
just a defective key. I am sure mine if not the first key to go bad and the failure mode made me suspect a CL problem.

If you see the pull key and wait message, and finally manage to get it started I suggest you carry both keys until you figure out what's going on.
Its all good. You guys do what you feel is right for you, but for the 50 bucs, I'll never have this problem, bad key or CLB. Have a Happy Holidays!
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The only time I've ever gotten a "Pull key..." message was with a CLB installed. Disabled the CLB and no message. Some 97/98 models have a communication problem between the CLB and the BCM. Mine's a 98 A4 so I had the recall done. No issues anymore. I did have a column lock days before the recall was done. No "Pull key..." message before the lock just the "Service Column Lock" message. I did the yank and crank manuevre and all was well.
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Originally Posted by NoelsTorchredZ
Its all good. You guys do what you feel is right for you, but for the 50 bucs, I'll never have this problem, bad key or CLB. Have a Happy Holidays!
Happy Holidays to you too.

A CLB would not have prevented what happened to Dick.

If if the key isn't properly read by the VATS system, you still won't be going anywhere. I suppose if you have a CLB, at least you can enjoy turning the steering wheel back and forth while you wait for the tow truck to arrive.

btw, I have the CLB, no need to preach it's benefits to me. But realize it doesn't cure everything.

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Not to interupt this thread but I have a question. I have a 00 A4 and had the dealer recall fix, ie, removing the pin or whatever. Am I clear of this mess?

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