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Old Sep 3, 2012 | 08:23 PM
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Just experienced this problem today and had it towed it to a dealer. I believe the problem was previously taken of.
The fact that it is a GM recall, will the dealer take care of this free even if it may be a second time?
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Old Sep 3, 2012 | 11:06 PM
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Originally Posted by 8VETTE7
Expect to pay for this out of your own pocket if you let the dealer do the service. In 2007 GM sent a letter to owners of record that beginning in March 2008 if GM had preciously serviced the NHTSA Column Lock recall at least once (GMVIS record determine that ) then all further service to the column lock system would be considered normal wear and tear and any additional service service would be at the owners expense.

I doubt you understand what the recall was for. It was NOT because the column locks, it was supposed to, but rather it was because under certain conditions it is possible to drive the car with the column locked. Clearly a safety issue and why NHTSA got involved. If your colugmn is locked and you experienced the 2mph fuel shutoff, then your car HAS been serviced and the recall on that VIN is CLOSED. The bill could be anywhere from a few hundred to well over $1000 if the dealer can convince you that the lock motor has failed and must be replaced.

I suggest that you put some time into reading the last 10 or so pages (not posts but PAGES) of this thread to learn more about the problem and what your options are that can fix the car for well under $100 and it will be a permanent fix, unlike what the dealer will do.

If you take the time to fill in your profile and provide some info about the car, (like year, trans type, any modifications, etc) you might get some specific help. Without that info there are way too many variables that depend upon year, trans type, etc.
I would suggest from experience the lmc5 module. Richard will help you out as he has will several hundreds maybe even thousands of people that have had or are having these issues.
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Old Sep 4, 2012 | 01:07 PM
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I ordered my 98 conv A4 in 97 and took delivery 0n 4/1/98. Scummed to the recall in 2001 and it failed in 2004 but the dealer fixed at no charge. Happened again 8/23/12 and the successor dealer quoted $900 for repair, without mentioning the easy CLB or LMC5 fix. Ordered the LMC5 over the CLB as overnight delivery from Houston Corvettes was Over $70 as compared to $19 for the LMC5 from Compliance Parts and the LMC5 is a much easier install. Everything is is running fine, no messages no codes. I've never seen a recall issue handled so poorly. Shame on GM.
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Old Sep 11, 2012 | 09:46 PM
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Hi all. There is a lot of valuable information here on this topic. I'm not sure I've captured it all. Here is my situation. I had not driven my 01 standard for a couple of months. I turned the ignition and the engine turned slowly but it cranked on Friday. I drove it until yesterday. There were no problems wiht the car, at all. I took it to a trusted guy to do some minor service on it. I'm sure he had the doors and hood open for a while. When he finished his work, the car started giving the "Service Steering Column" message along with the "Pull Key for 10 Seconds" message. He attemped to drive the car and the 2mph fuel shut was engaging. I had the GM "Recall" work done on the car a few years ago. The steering wheel turns without a key in the ignition. From what I've gather on these posts, I should begin my troubleshooting by making sure my battery is good and fully charged and then I should pull fuses 23 and 25 for 10 seconds from the floor board fuse box with the ignition key in the on position. Please let me know if this is the correct approach. I appreciate any other suggestions, as well. Thanks.
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Old Sep 11, 2012 | 09:56 PM
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I literally just fixed mine tonight, although I pulled fuses 25 and 29 to get the message to clear. I also installed the CLB. But since you had the recall done I'm not sure what to tell you since the wheel moves freely.
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Old Sep 12, 2012 | 08:13 AM
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Ok, thanks. I will get it home today and see what's up.
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Old Sep 12, 2012 | 09:48 AM
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Here is a thought, is the only purpose of the resistor pill in our keys to operate the column lock? If so, then if you install a LMC5 or CLB does that mean you could have a spare made without the right pill resistance (or without a pill at all)?
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Old Sep 12, 2012 | 02:36 PM
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I confirmed I had the "recall" service done in May 2006. Thanks. I'll check battery, fuses then "k" harness.
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Old Sep 13, 2012 | 10:56 AM
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Ok, thanks. I will give it all a try this evening.
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Old Sep 13, 2012 | 10:37 PM
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Hi 8VETTE7,

I followed instructions and removed the Harness K. My car runs just fine now. I just took it for a spin around the block. Thanks to you and all on the forum for the help. A couple of questions, what risk do I now have with the steering column bynot having the Harness K in place any longer? Is there anything else that may come up by not having it or any aftermarket bypass in place? Thanks very much.
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Old Sep 18, 2012 | 09:57 AM
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Hello,

I think my relay in the passenger footwell is toast...Keep getting the pull key / service column lock messages...What would be the best way to test this ?

I have an A4 with the recall done, and have had the shut off adjusted to 200....Will the CLB or LMC5 work for me? I'm just tired of getting the messages.

Let me know your thoughts and thanks,
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Old Sep 19, 2012 | 12:46 PM
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I added the jumper on the 12177233 relay and the lock code is eliminated.

However, if the car site for a few days I appear to have no electric current. If I remove the negative from the battery and connect it back the electricity is back and the car will start.

And, not sure if it's related but now I get Service ABS, Service Traction Control System, and Service Active Handling System.

Any ideas
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Old Sep 27, 2012 | 10:54 AM
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I got near suicidal when my recently purchased '99 started throwing these codes one Saturday morn. Car kept dying. So, I managed to get her back in the driveway and got on Corvette forum. The Corvettes of Houston part looked like the way to go for a permanent solution, but I was worried that my car was already in code and I'd have to find a tuner. So, I ordered the CLB and visited my local Chevy dealer w/ my VIN in hand. Turns out, she'd already had both factory recalls done, and they suggested having it towed in to see what they could do. They sounded lost. So, I waited for my magic bullet to arrive. Followed the instructs and in about 20 mins I fired her back up. At first it got the "Remove key for 10 secs" message. So, I did. Started her back up and she's been runnin' perfect ever since. I owe my life to Corvette Forum and Corvettes of Houston!!!! You guys rock!!!
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Old Oct 6, 2012 | 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by 8VETTE7
According to your profile and the post above you have a 2000 A4 and you state that you have the speed set to 200. Your problem could be 1 of 3 things:

1) Lock motor has failed. Possible but not especially likely.
2) The GM K Harness that would have been installed as part of the recall service has fried. Possible and very likely.
3) The Column Lock Relay in the passenger footwell may have fried. Possible but less likely than the GM K Harness frying.

You could purchase and install an LMC5 and the message should go away. However remember that the BCM on some cars do not like the LMC5 and you may end up going back to the supplier to get the LMC5-R.

You could also use the procedure in post #1772 above and eliminate the GM K harness. If that is what has failed then the message will go away and you would not have to spend any additional $$$$.
Ended up getting the LMC5...Installed and my problems are gone....Thanks to all.

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Old Oct 13, 2012 | 03:04 PM
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Hi all,
Wow, my head is spinning after all the information I just waded through. So, here's my story. I have a '97 C5, which I've owned since 97/98(can't remember), bought from dealer(It was sales Mngr's car). Yesterday, I get in my car after hoopin it up at the gym for hours. I put the key in the ignition, start her up and shift into D. Just about the time I shift into D and start slowly idling forward, out of my parking spot, I turn the wheel a hair to the right to straighten out and hear a "click" in the wheel. It locks up on me, I am in drive and rolling forward!!!!. I immediately hit the brakes and reverse back into my parking space. The DIC has the "Service Column Lock", etc. etc. I have only had this happen to me once before, many many years ago, and I got out of it by just fiddling with the key in ignition a bunch of times. I went on my iphone and got on here to read up on the CL and proceeded to try the hard crank of the wheel onto the stops left & right. I did this many times and it did not seem to be working. Needless to say, I was frustrated and pissed to have to deal with a safety issue like this(Thank God I wasn't driving on the street/freeway, etc. and it happened!). So, now I find myself in the ship with many other Vette owners, having had this happen to them, in trying to figure out the best course of action. I assume I should call the dealer and have a chat with them about if the recall has been done on my car, etc. I would just like to do a perm resolution(remove the CL mechanism, etc), so it will NEVER be a possibility to happen while driving.....I have an 8-YO daughter and use the vette to shuttle her to/from school and this really freaked me out this time(Last time it happened I was parked, NOT moving!). I'd appreciate advice on what to do here! :
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Old Oct 14, 2012 | 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by 8VETTE7
Car is a 97 or 98 automatic. With NO KEY in the ignition, does the column lock? If YES then the NHTSA Column Lock Recall has not been performed on the car. You could take it to the dealer and as long as the column lock motor has NOT failed, they will perform the recall service free of charge. That involves replacing the full size lock plate with a small diameter that physically prevents the column from locking. Unfortunately they will also reprogram the PCM to set the column lock fuel shutoff to 2MPH. The dealer may well tell you the lock motor has failed. The lock motor is important because you need the lock motor to respond to the BCM when ever the BCM issues a lock or unlock to the lock motor. If the recall service is done and the lock motor has failed you will no longer experience a locked column but you WILL now experience a 2mph fuel shutoff because the lock motor doesn't respond with a "completed" signal back to the BCM. When that happens the BCM thinks the column is still locked and therefore signals the PCM to enable fuel shutoff. You start the car, get one or two error messages in the DIC ( Service Column Lock and/or Pull key and wait 10 seconds) then you try to drive the car and the engine stalls a soon as you put the car in D or R. The BCM relies on a signaling protocol to know that the column is locked or unlocked. it has NO OTHER means to know the state of the column. In the case where the lock plate prevents the column from physically locking, the BCM does NOT know the column cannot lock. It blindly plays the lock unlock game.

I suggest that you do a search on CLB or LMC5 (plenty of hits will come back) and after some research, order and install either a CLB or LMC5 and forget the dealer service. I doubt the dealer will tell you the truth about the lock motor because he can charge you somewhere between $500 and $1200 or more to replace the lock motor rather than just doing the recall service free. Sound like I don't trust stealers????????
Hi 8VETTE7 and thanks for the reply,

My car is a '97 and I have never had the recal service done, thus so yes, the column locks when key is out. I too DO NOT trust stealers and posted on here because I really want to avoid taking it to them if I can. I am fairly handy with the Vette and have done many things on my own, so I wanted to get some thoughts from others on what to do here. I do not want to go through that situation ever again that I experienced at the gym the other day! So, what your saying is that when they put in the smaller lock plate, they also repro the PCM to shut fuel off at 2mph when it senses the CL has NOT retracted, even though it might have? Is my PCM currently prog'd to do this now? I did not hit 2 mph when just idling forward, off the brake, rolling out of my parking space, so I didn't experience the cutoff if it was present. It is a VERY SCARY notion that my car could potentially do this while flying down the freeway or somewhere like that? This huge thread mentions, IIRC that some bypass kits mess with the voltage to the BCM? and thus could potentially burn it out in the future from trying to "get around" the CL prob???? Anyway, thanks for any advice and I'm lookin forward to removing this dayum prob once and for all in the best way I can.

Steve

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Old Oct 14, 2012 | 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by 8VETTE7
The stuff you read about CLB's burning out the BCM are legend and not fact. There are many 10 of thousands of CLB's installed without a problem. Probably less LMC5's but those don't burn out the BCM either. Both devices basically take the signal the BCM sends out and redirect it to the part of the BCM that is looking for a "completed" signal.

The dealer recall service replaces the lock plate with one that cannot intercept the lock pin thus the column will never lock again. This is standard stuff for the 97 - 200 automatics. The recall service also sets the 2mph fuel shutoff in the PCM. The small lock plate came standard from the factory on 2001 and newer automatics.

If your car has in fact never had the column lock recall service done to it the fuel shutoff is NOT set so either a CLB or LMC5 should cure your problem once and for all. Both devices require that the column be unlocked before they are installed. The major difference is that the CLB is installed under the drivers side knee bolster into the connector that the lock motor would normally connect to ( with the column unlocked, you disconnect the lock motor male connector and plug the CLB male connector into the female connector that the lock motor was plugged into. This does leave factory wiring in place between the connector under the drivers side knee bolster and the BCM)

The LMC5 has you disconnect wires directly at the BCM that would otherwise go to the lock motor and connect their device directly to the BCM. Because it connects directly to the BCM there is no factory wiring for the column lock system left in the circuit. Factory wiring could be an issue if you have had rodents get into the car and they chewed the wires for the column lock system components. Usually that's the cars in the part of the country that get stored for the winter.

I also suggest that you have your battery checked out. The MOST COMMON cause of the column lock system symptoms is a weak or bad battery or loose or corroded battery connections. I suggest that this is what triggered the symptoms in your car.....

The column lock system electronics need greater than 12.5 "NO LOAD" volts to function properly. that's because the column lock system runs long before the engine is started. If your battery is close to that voltage the charge is low. You cannot use the dash guages to measure no load volts. With the engine running you read the output voltage of the alternator. With the key on and engine off you have many electrical circuits in the car loading the battery. Measure no load volts with the neg battery cable disconnected and the DMM connected directly across the battery posts.
Interesting note about the batt voltage. I just recently disconnected the neg term to do a headlight motor gear switchout. I will redo the connection again and clean the contact to get a really good connection(maybe it has a weak connection) after I check the voltage across the posts. No rodent probs on my end either. Is there a way to remove my lock plate and install the smaller plate(or is this just way too much more work/hassle than just doing a plug & play fix? Thanks for the tips!!!

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Old Oct 16, 2012 | 02:29 PM
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It's been done but it is way too much work IMHO. You have to remove the steering wheel and work your way down to the lock plate that is pressed onto the column. Far less work to just but a CLB or LMC5 and install it. Plus, the lock motor could still fail at a later date and then you start getting error messages in the DIC, albeit that the car is still driveable. A few have removed the plastic covers from around the steering column and taken a hack saw to the lock pin while the column is locked. Also too much work IMHO and while the column will no longer lock you are still susceptible to the lock motor failing and the messages in the DIC.

If money is the issue you could build your own CLB. Here is a link:

http://shelor.net/Z/CorvetteForum/Cscokd/

I think the parts cost is around $15. You reuse the male connector from the lock motor I believe.

So, I checked my Optima Red Top voltage......No good....Not holding charge. Ordered and installed a Delco 78-7Y(which is now a 78PG) and the CL is locking/unlocking STRONG. When I had the Optima in there, it sounded very weak when it would engage/disengage. The Delco has a 110RC and my Optima Red Top is marked with a 90RC. Another thread in CF had a link to a vid about this issue and the lecturer said that a Chevy recommends a 120RC, which the 78-7Y used to have. I spoke to the parts dude at Chevy about all this and he was pretty knowledgeable about the CL issue and everything(maybe he has a Vette too). Anyway, he said the issue creeps up with pretty much ANY batt when it starts to weaken and not hold its charge(the elctrical gremlins come out then, it seems).....Which is pretty much what I've experienced with this prob. So, now I'm good with no phantom locking issues, but will order one of the bypass kits to further end this PITA prob for me. Thanks to 8VETTE7 for all the help and advice
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***Update****

Since posting (at 12:29) with the new batt installed, I had the CL freeze up again(once more) after about 3 hours of the Vette sitting in my garage. Got it to unlock after pulling key out, getting Q-tip soaked in rubbing alcohol and cleaning inside of ignition switch and key pellet. Q-tip came out with black residue on it and I cleaned it good with both ends of Qtip. I have NOT experienced a CL prob since and that was Tues afternoon. I've been in/out of the car approx 20+ times since that incident with no probs or close calls....Each engage/disengage has been strong. I've ordered the LMC5 from Richard(had nice chat with him too) and will install it when it gets here to rid this scourge hopefully once and for all


Steve
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Old Oct 21, 2012 | 12:59 AM
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For better or worse my steering locked up during 1st to 2nd gear change.I cracked 3 ribs and broke my thumb trying to turn it.Unless I've missed something GM and owners don't want this info out.
I'm now in deep trouble because I was hit w/dui since this happened in a parking lot at my fav rest.Yes I was showing off.
I need someone to step up to the plate and agree it could happen.
It did.I loved my car but unless someone helps all my ins.money will go to an attorney.John
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