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Old Feb 13, 2013 | 05:44 PM
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JetMechZ16, as you have read above, the LMC5 will solve 99% and YES I would install it on you C5. Like yours, my 1999 C5 did what yours did for over 3 years and NOT lock up, then one day, it did and I was sh&t ouf of luck stuck. After installing the LMC5, I do still get the "Remove Key 10 sec.) but, a quick restart resloves it. I think I'm in need of the LMC5-R, but I haven't upgraded at this date since it happens so few times. Good luck with your situation...
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Old Feb 13, 2013 | 08:33 PM
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I think I'll order the LMC5 and keep it on hand incase future issues arise. Don't really feel like fixing something that aint broke right now though. Thanks for the help
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Old Feb 14, 2013 | 02:38 PM
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I bought a 58 K, 99 model. the owner said they had done the recall on the car. you can move the steering wheel with the key removed. The thing is that when i open my door it sounds as if something is running in my dash in the area of the steering wheel. Can i still install the fix from compliance parts.
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Old Feb 14, 2013 | 04:48 PM
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byocum, it could be the solenoid activating looking for the hole to lock up, if you move your steering wheel when you remove your key from the ignition, the solenoid will activate (as designed) until you move your wheel and it slides into the hole in the plate, thus locking your wheel. Mine did the same. I hear a lot of guys saying, I'll purchase the LMC5 and wait till it locks... Take my word, it will lock when you least expect it, at a bank, shopping mall stall, work garage, or gas station all depending on the strength of the vehicles battery. Also, mine locked up and would not UN-LOCK even using Comnpliances Part UN-LOCK kit, I had to hit my solenoid area of my steerin wheel with a hammer and screw driver several times for the solenoid to finnally unlock.. My vette was in my garage when it locked, LUCKY ME, but down for over 4 days waiting for parts and hours of reading about this dreaded problem in this forum, get it and install it at your time not the solenoid.. PS: The firt time it locked was at Twin Pine Casino front parking lot, over 90 miles from my home and several from a garage or help, don't wait.. Good luck.

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Old Feb 14, 2013 | 05:02 PM
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I once read a post that said "...all C5's have the same locking system. Its just a matter of time until it locks up." By all means install the LMC 5, even if the dealer has already made the recall fix. When mine locked up (2001 Z06) the unlock feature of the LMC5 didn't do the trick, either. The "turn-the-wheel-side-to-side-with-zeal-and-then-turn-the-ignition-to-ON" worked for me.
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Old Feb 16, 2013 | 08:55 PM
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Sorry about that its a six speed
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Old Feb 17, 2013 | 05:15 PM
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I have an 01 coupe 6 speed. My battery went dead and when I jumped it the service column lock came on. I haven't had any problem with the column locking up or the 2 mile an hour situation, all I have to do is hit the reset for the message to go away. this comes up every time I start the car. Is this a ticking time bomb waiting to happen or does it appear that the PO did something to disable it. What should I look for to see if they had?
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Old Feb 17, 2013 | 11:18 PM
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!. yes
2. Just the service column lock message
3. The battery was charged and is holding a full charge.

I bought the car from a friend of mine's daughter after he passed away so I wouldn't be able to ask if he did anything to it,
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Old Mar 4, 2013 | 12:38 PM
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I installed the LMC5 in my 99 6 speed.
It was pretty straight forward.
But yesterday i got a pull key wait 10 seconds displayed for the first time. I also still hear a noise coming from steering wheel area pryor to starting car. I also installed the Cag's skip shift for Compliance. The only thing is My door & trunk light's dont work now. So i wondering which one would be the culprit.
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Old Mar 4, 2013 | 05:43 PM
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Byocum, as far as the "wait 10...." you may need the LMC5-R, mine also from time to time displays that, but I think it may be the KEY register on one of my older most used keys that may be the problem. I switch over to a NEW KEY with correct register and it doesn't happen. The other stuff, check your fuses and good luck..
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Old Mar 24, 2013 | 11:32 AM
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OK, I read the sticky FAQ's I am the second owner of a 2004 Z06, the SERVICE COLUMN LOCK error message comes on every time I start the engine the reset button extinguishes the light. I have no apparent steering issues should I be concerned? Is there a fix? I appreciate in advance anyhelpful information.
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Old Mar 24, 2013 | 02:37 PM
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Get the LMC5 and install that so you don't get stranded, that would be my recommendation, this post has all the information for all of the different types of fixes, the LMC5 seems to be the best of the bunch, again from my opinion. Good luck.
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2000 FRC
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Column locked up years ago for the previous owner and was towed to dealer.

Aftermarket CLB installed as well.
Still getting pull key and service column lock messages.

I have a spare BCM from a 2001 ZO6. Will installing that fix the issue?

Is the purple wire in the pic below part of the dealer recall?



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Old Mar 31, 2013 | 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by 8VETTE7
The BCM is not plug and play between years so you would need to identify the pin layouts between the two years and do some repinning of the cables to even stand a chance of making the newer BCM work in the 2000. probably could be done but would take a fair amount of time at a minimum.

The purple wire is part of the Column Lock Recall Service that was done by GM. They replace a SPST relay with an SPDT relay and splice into the purple wire . The purpose is to put a constant 12V in the "pin retract" direction of the lock motor. That is supposed to prevent the column from ever locking with the car under power.

You are getting the PULL KEY.... message because of this modification to the relay. (Same relay provides power to the lock motor for lock and unlock). Read this thread to see what is necessary to eliminate the message that you are getting:

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c5-t...installed.html

Pay particular attention to post #15.
Done. Thanks!
Pull Key message is gone, but I'm still getting the service column lock message. Is that to be expected?

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Old Mar 31, 2013 | 05:55 PM
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Under the dash:
Red, white, blue and black wires on the right go to the column lock bypass.

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Old Mar 31, 2013 | 06:03 PM
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Removed the K harness and presto! El Fixo!
Thanks 8VETTE7!!

Now if I could get rid of the Serv Tire Mon Sys message.

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Old Apr 13, 2013 | 06:20 AM
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I own a 2004 z06 and love it,but.I'm having the 'service steering clumn lock' problem.It hasn't got to the point of locking my steering,but has been going on constantly.When I f irst purchased it,(2yrs),Iremember the 'remove and re-insert key' problem at the dealers lot.This kept killing the fuel pump,and I couldn't even get off the lot.Battery was low cause someone had been listening to stereo.Havent replaced batt.yet but in the process of relocating to trunk.Want lightwieght batt andgood relocate kit.Can use Advice. advice,Thanks
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Originally Posted by 8VETTE7
Most common cause of the column lock symptoms is a weak or bad battery or loose or corroded battery connections including at the starter.

That is where I would start. The column lock electronics is going to fail if the no load battery voltage is 12.5 volts or less. No Load voltage is the voltage measured directly across the battery posts with the neg battery cable disconnected using a digital multi meter. Car will start with as little as 12.2 no load volts but the column lock electronics is NOT going to be happy. Since column lock function runs before the engine starts, voltage from the alternator once the engine is running is TOO LATE to help.

Does the column lock with NO KEY in the ignition? If not then something has been done to prevent it from locking. Get the GMVIS for the car and see if the GM Column Lock Recall Service was done after Jan. 2006. If so then the car has a small diameter lock ring that prevents the column from physically locking. If the recall was done before Jan 2006 then someone may have installed a CLB or perhaps an LMC5 aftermarket device.

If column LOCKS with no key in the ignition, I strongly recommend you get a CLB or LMC5 and install it. Once you go to a light weight (under spec) battery, you will constantly be having low voltage issues when the car sits for a few days and is not on a battery tender.

If you are going to get the car tuned by a tuner with either HP Tuners or EFI Live, then have the fuel shutoff speed set to a high number. If you don't you will end up getting stranded by the 2mph fuel shutoff that is SOP with the GM Recall Service. No tuning software except these two can set the fuel shutoff to a high number. 200 or 255 are good values to avoid getting stranded by the fuel shutoff speed.
Ok, this is where I'm at. Today, for the 1st time, I got the "service column lock" message in my 2004 Z06. I did NOT have my battery on a battery tender over the winter but did start it occasionally. However, due to the extended winter season this year, it sat without being started for a couple of months and when I did finally start it again, the battery was definitely low. But, I started driving it and no problems until today when the message came on. My steering locks when no key in the ignition. I am the 2nd owner and I believe the orig owner told me the steering lock recall was done. First time I took it to my dealer, I asked them to verify that it had been done, and they said it had.

I had intended to replace the battery this year, just haven't done it yet. Will that be enough to clear the message? I have read through the sticky and most of the posts but still not entirely clear on whether the relays mentioned in earlier posts are fried by the time the message pops up, or perhaps still good and a new battery might be all that's needed?

Not certain if previous owner installed a CLB. Will have to look on my next day off.
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Originally Posted by 8VETTE7
If the steering locks with no key in the ignition, there is NOT a CLB or LMC5 installed.

Recall done on an 04 Z where the column still locks means that the PCM has been programmed to shutoff fuel at 2MPH when the BCM thinks the column is locked after it has requested an unlock.

Causes for that MOST likely is the battery but a fried Column Lock Relay can also cause the symptoms. You can measure the NO LOAD voltage ( voltage across the battery posts with the Neg battery cable disconnected) and it needs to be greater than 12.5 volts for the column lock electronics to function correctly. Car will start with as little as 12.2 volts no load BUT the column lock system WILL fail so you get the messages, Column may not unlock and 2mph fuel shutoff may be set. Voltage after the car starts is too late as the column lock system runs BEFORE the engine starts...

You can try charging the battery fully and see if it will hold a charge. A good battery at full charge measures between 12.7 and 12.9 volts or more (no load). Battery voltage on the dash guages does NOT indicate the state of health of the battery. It indicates the state of health of the charging system. With engine running it indicates the output voltage of the alternator. With key on and engine off it has little meaning since many electrical systems are loading the battery.

Only way to know if the Column Lock Relay is good (your car should NOT have a GM K Harness) is to see if the battery being charged corrects the column lock symptoms or to bench test the Column Lock Relay. CLR is located in the passenger footwell to the left of the IPC fuse box and above the BCM (large silver box). The wires in the wiring base identify it as the CLR, 2 orange, 1 white, 1 green and 1 purple.

I suggest that you install a CLB to avoid this problem in the future.
UPDATE: This moring was the first time driving the car since this message appeared for the first time yesterday. I get in the car and try the steering wheel before putting the key in the ignition and the steering wheel was NOT locked. Put the key in and started it up and the message was there again. I pressed the reset, it went away and I drove to work normally.

I will start checking the battery when I get home.

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Old May 5, 2013 | 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by 8VETTE7
Does this car have a custom tune on it???

If yes then MOST tuners will set the fuel shutoff to a high number. That would explain the being able to drive without the 2mph fuel shutoff.

Are you certain that before this problem recently began that the column DID in fact LOCK with no key in the ignition???

If the column lock recall service was done to the car afterJan. 2006 then the variation of the column lock ecall service that was done may have been 04006C. That variation replaced the lock ring with the small diameter lock ring that is in automatics and the column no longer physically locks. Additionally if NO PREVIOUS variation of the column lock recall was ever done to the car, the 04006C variation does NOT include reprogramming the PCM to set the 2mph fuel shutoff. You can determine when the recall was done by sending an email to either of the following 2 Forum Vendors along with your VIN and ask for a copy of the GMVIS for your car:

dfichtner@fichtnerchevrolet.com Dennis Fichtner

gene@gmpartshouse.com Gene Culley

You will receive back a copy of the report by email. In the CLAIM HISTORY section of the report you can see all work done to your car at GM's cost (warranty, recall, etc) and the dates done.


If 04006C was not done and since the message "Service Column Lock" appears, the BCM sent an UNLOCK command to the lock motor but failed to get a response back to the command from the lock motor. Either the physical electrical path to or from the lock motor has failed (Two different paths) or the lock motor is hung up in the retracted position. If 04006C was in fact done then there IS a GM K Harness installed and that may have fried due to the low battery and would explain why the error message is displayed but neither the column is locked or the fuel shutoff occurred.

Determining exactly WHAT has been done to a car by either previous owners or by GM can be a frustrating effort. Sometimes it requires BOTH the GMVIS and physically checking...........
The original owner never mentioned anything about a custom tune being done.

I am certain that the column locked without the key because I always check it before I drive it and after I have shut it down and removed the key. And because it locked at all is why I took it to my GM dealer right after I purchased it because I thought it wasn't supposed to do that after the recall work was done, which is what the original told me he had done. My GM dealer looked it up and said they show the recall had indeed been done.

Still, I didn't worry about it after that (I bought the car in 2008 with only 10K miles on it) until yesterday when the message first showed up.

Would my GM dealer be able to sort this out?

I appreciate the feedback. I will send an email to one of those two contacts and see what comes back and go from there.

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