Bob, I have two questions. What are you doing on here tonight?

Second question. If you load the converter and retard the timing more how the he-l do you go faster. Or, did you have most or all torque management removed.

I'm going to have Fuzzy take your temp.

 

I know. I was kinda yanking your chain. That car of yours will always be lazy with that 2:73. Get at least a 3:42 and hang on. You'll like it.

Bob

 

1st. Came home from the auction early so I can watch it on TV at 8:00, difficult to fight the crowds although we had a great time. 2nd as for TM it is now removed however, I have been racing this car for a few years and even with TM enabled as long as the car is in Competitive mode I never noticed any intrusive TM with the converter loaded.

 

The original poster 2pedala should try launching his car using both techniques to see which works better for him.

He needn't worry about the effects of torque management hurting his times if he brake stalls his car in Competitive Mode.



http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show...14&postcount=2


Notice what the poster says here

" - The brakes are applied with moderate to heavy throttle (with the traction system active).

 

We're watching it now. Did anyone you know bid on the Corvettes?

 

Changes the subject/jacks the thread when he is wrong.

 

Nobody I know bid on anything. I think we are all to poor. I'll tell you this... Watch for Howard Hughs car

 

I think they're running that through tonight. Don't want to mention any names but the place Marc stayed at was possibly going to bid on the Vettes.

 

Yes I know but, that guy fell ill and did not make it with us this time. You will meet him at Moroso on the 16th

 

My 98(early build), and I think your 97 don't have that option.

JL4, Control Active Brake, started late 98.

Ron ...

 

OK Bob. I think we did a fine job of hijacking this thread but since I added poop top and eb2003 to my ignore list it just isn't the same anymore. I'll catch you on another one.

Maybe an installation of spark plugs using an impact wrench.

Bob

 

yup i am laughing my a$$ off.

 

You and me both


He tells the guy to disable traction control but that if he brake torques his car after following those instructions that Torque Management will rob him of performance.

Well, anyway, the original poster in the '03 does not have to worry about torque management making him run significantly slower should he decide to brake torque his car, when he is running without traction control.

Thats whether he has disabled traction control along with active handling, or if he has only disabled traction control and not Active Handling (ie Competitive Mode)

He can load up the torque converter if he wants, by applying his left foot to the brake and his right on the gas pedal and taking the RPMs up to any point below going through his brakes. And not have to worry about TM "retarding his timing" as long as his car is not running with traction control enabled.

 

Hi, my name is Korreck. When I'm wrong, which is generally all the time, and people call me on it, I just put them on my ignore list. I'm like one of those monkeys, you know, hear no evil, see no evil... gee whiz, ignorance is such bliss. I'm sooooo happy I get to go through life with blinders on.

TOOL

 

RPO label will say JL4

Traction Control is on all C5s but Active Handling did not become available until the late 1998 production models through to the 2000 production models. Sometimes referred to as "1st Generation Active Handling"

In 2001 "2nd generation" Active Handling was standard on all C5s.

On a C5 with both, Traction Control and Active Handling, they are a combined system and are combined with ABS.

On a C5 with TCS only there are two modes: on and off.

On a car with Active Handling, there are three modes:

1.TCS/AH on,

2.TCS/AH off

3.Competitive Mode

As I mentioned earlier, with Competitive Mode the traction control is disabled but the Active Handling is still in effect. This is of benefit during competitive driving.

Beginning with the '02, '03 and continuing to the '04 manual C5s , ABS/TCS/AH was calibrated with an "antipowerhop algorithm". If the ECM detects powerhop TCS will enable to stop the powerhop, even if the system is in competitive mode or turned off.


The source of this information is http://forums.corvetteforum.com/showthread.php?t=422795 Post 13.

 

Dam Chris just when i think you can't post anything funnier you post that one. LOL

 

Your post is witty


But very accurate. His readiness to tune out/block out those with whom he disagrees only contributes to his ignorance and prevents him from learning anything because he thinks he already knows everything.

Just about everyone here makes their share of "posting errors" and may on occasion unintentionally pass along "bad" advice. But being unwilling to admit the error makes it worse.

His ignorance is only exceeded by his arrogance, and the two conspire to make him look like a buffoon.

 

Well at the risk of being placed on someones ignore list or being berrated for being a novice idiot (go ahead I'm a big boy) here is my advise. Please be advised this is what I learned from my one and only day EVER at a drag strip.

My best ET was by:
1. Competitive mode
2. Non runflates at 25 lbs - no burnout
3. braking at about 1000 RPM
4. manual shifting (A4) when seat of pants felt torque fading (I know everybody says you can't shift faster than the computer but that doesn't mean the computer is right....depends on the tune)

 

Hey Howard, competitive mode affects handling, not ET. And the name of the game is consistancy, not your best ET. My advice to the guy was based on that.

My ignore list is MY option to use. A few people I don't agree with want to run their mouths and resort to personal attacks. They're not interested in documented facts so why do I want to get in a pizzing contest with them? Has nothing to do with you.

Take the burn out statements in another post. I can back into the water box and do a burnout without touching the brakes. I can also lock the brakes and break the car before the wheels spin. Burn outs are done with a line lock.

Bob

 

Do yourself a favor Macinamouth and don't listen to a word this guy says.

Thank you for that valuable gem of information o great one. No one here ever knew that!!!!! Where oh where would we all be without you to tell us these things and pointing us in the right direction when it comes to choosing an intake system, launching our cars at the dragstrip, doing burnouts, and just life in general?

1.Refers to you by first name as though he were your long lost friend.

2.Attempts to rationalize the marginal advice he gave the original thread starter regarding "Torque Management".

3. Now tries to make himself out to be the "voice of reason" with his " name of the game is consistancy, not your best ET" statement.

4.Attempts to rationalize his incorrect statements about the inability to do a burnout while using the brakes. And his chiding another member in that thread,with his "What happens when you apply your brakes, my wheels quit turning do yours?" sarcasm.

5. In another post claims to be a former 1972 NHRA champion but (a)does not know that a burnout can be done without a line lock,(b) Has posted no timeslips here of runs made in his C5 to give any indication of his driving skills or prowess. (c) Tells us that a 13 second car cannot cut better than a 1.9 60ft time even on Drag Radials. (d) Offers advice about torque management, and it's relationship to launch techniques, is obviously misinformed about Torque Management. (e) Has constantly chided those C5ers who report performance increases with CAI systems, even those with impressive drag racing experience and the numbers to prove it, and has done his best to imply if not outright state that they are stupid and incapable of rational thought for believing that their observed improvement was in part due to CAI.

Yet he has no credentials in today's Corvettes, experience in today's Corvettes, nor any measure of past success, timeslips, eyewitness accounts nor any other documentation, in C5s at least none readily shown and easily found here, which given any indication as to why anyone here should listen to him when it comes to advice on drag racing a car built any time after the resignation of Richard M. Nixon.



http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show...8&page=1&pp=20


This guy obviously has no experience drag racing a C5. Indeed I would go as far as to say that at this point in time that he has NEVER taken his own C5 down the track

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show....php?t=1030131.

But he is giving advice and "expert opinions" and flaming others with a wealth of experience racing our type of cars????

Macinamouth, I see where you ran 12.6X. You say that you are a novice, but this guy should pull up a chair and hang on your every word when it comes to going down the strip. You have more seat time behind the wheel of a C5 driven competitively than he does.