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Melting Slicks
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Originally Posted by Korreck
Hey Howard, competitive mode affects handling, not ET. And the name of the game is consistancy, not your best ET. My advice to the guy was based on that.
My ignore list is MY option to use. A few people I don't agree with want to run their mouths and resort to personal attacks. They're not interested in documented facts so why do I want to get in a pizzing contest with them? Has nothing to do with you.
Bob
My ignore list is MY option to use. A few people I don't agree with want to run their mouths and resort to personal attacks. They're not interested in documented facts so why do I want to get in a pizzing contest with them? Has nothing to do with you.
Bob
oh boy, all that power{TOOL}) is driven by a retard that I still bet has never been to the track. Regardless of all your pompus posting in the "drag race" section. So, once again Korreck, you have shown just how much of an ignorant dope you really are.Are far as "people" not being interested in documented facts..... You have never presented any facts to back up anything you post. Well correction, your posts have documented that you're an idiot. Have a nice day monkey boy.
Melting Slicks
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Originally Posted by Korreck
. And I'm glad you can spin your tires. I don't want to. It cost me money and at the track a slower ET. 
(poor me) Fast forward a few weeks.... Korreck is now Mr. Drag Racer. It costs him money and a slower e.t. WOW, what a high speed racer with his Blackwing and tune. Slow down Korreck, you may run off the track with that hard launch and top end pull. 
Guys, does it get any better than a Tool like this??????
Team Owner
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Originally Posted by warpster
Boy.....I'd say there is more than one person on this thread that needs to grow up......I haven't heard such bickering since junior high!
Sorry, couldn't resist
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No.
If you are trying to improve traction, burnouts work best if you are on soft compound tires.
Now I have seen some who do burnouts with EMTs, supposedly to "clean them off". They insist that this helps. But as a general observation burnouts are not widely regarded as a benefit to improve traction for our EMT tires.
You can do a burnout on street tires however and get improvement. For example a lot of the guys around here running the stock Eagle F1 Supercars on the Z06s do a burnout and get improvement in their 60ft times. There are guys with Z06s getting 1.8s on stock tires with a burnout.
If you are trying to improve traction, burnouts work best if you are on soft compound tires.
Now I have seen some who do burnouts with EMTs, supposedly to "clean them off". They insist that this helps. But as a general observation burnouts are not widely regarded as a benefit to improve traction for our EMT tires.
You can do a burnout on street tires however and get improvement. For example a lot of the guys around here running the stock Eagle F1 Supercars on the Z06s do a burnout and get improvement in their 60ft times. There are guys with Z06s getting 1.8s on stock tires with a burnout.
Last edited by '06 Quicksilver Z06; Apr 3, 2005 at 06:44 PM.
Le Mans Master
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From: Shiloh Ohio
Originally Posted by boatboatboat
So should someone with EMT's do a burnout prior to a 1/4 run or not, if the goal is to increase traction
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Burning Brakes
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From: Jensen Beach FL
Originally Posted by boatboatboat
So should someone with EMT's do a burnout prior to a 1/4 run or not, if the goal is to increase traction
In order not to pull a “Korreck” here I will attempt to backup my statement with real world experience.
I have made about 2000 ¼ mile passes 100 of which have been in my MN6 C5 on run-flats. I have tried launching without doing a burnout, with a “clean them off burnout”, and with a “John Force can’t see the car through the smoke” burnout. I have found that the latter works best for me.
No burnout generally nets me a 60’ time in the 2.15-2.20 range.
The “clean them off” burnout generally gets me down into the 2.05-2.10 range.
The big smoky burnout generally generates 1.99-1.96 60’ times.
My best 60’ time on run-flats is 1.93. My best pass so far on run-flats is 11.86@124.
Is this really wise or practical? I would say “no”. But the way I look at it is; the faster I burn these run-flats off, the faster I can get some real tires.
This is just my personal experience. Take it for what it’s worth which may not be much.
Le Mans Master
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From: Shiloh Ohio
Originally Posted by MGorman
I must RESPECTFULLY disagree with EB 20003.
In order not to pull a “Korreck” here I will attempt to backup my statement with real world experience.
I have made about 2000 ¼ mile passes 100 of which have been in my MN6 C5 on run-flats. I have tried launching without doing a burnout, with a “clean them off burnout”, and with a “John Force can’t see the car through the smoke” burnout. I have found that the latter works best for me.
No burnout generally nets me a 60’ time in the 2.15-2.20 range.
The “clean them off” burnout generally gets me down into the 2.05-2.10 range.
The big smoky burnout generally generates 1.99-1.96 60’ times.
My best 60’ time on run-flats is 1.93. My best pass so far on run-flats is 11.86@124.
Is this really wise or practical? I would say “no”. But the way I look at it is; the faster I burn these run-flats off, the faster I can get some real tires.
This is just my personal experience. Take it for what it’s worth which may not be much.
In order not to pull a “Korreck” here I will attempt to backup my statement with real world experience.
I have made about 2000 ¼ mile passes 100 of which have been in my MN6 C5 on run-flats. I have tried launching without doing a burnout, with a “clean them off burnout”, and with a “John Force can’t see the car through the smoke” burnout. I have found that the latter works best for me.
No burnout generally nets me a 60’ time in the 2.15-2.20 range.
The “clean them off” burnout generally gets me down into the 2.05-2.10 range.
The big smoky burnout generally generates 1.99-1.96 60’ times.
My best 60’ time on run-flats is 1.93. My best pass so far on run-flats is 11.86@124.
Is this really wise or practical? I would say “no”. But the way I look at it is; the faster I burn these run-flats off, the faster I can get some real tires.
This is just my personal experience. Take it for what it’s worth which may not be much.
I also agree that heating up runflats does give them more traction. With my setup I usually do not need to do this because I do not have trouble with spinning. But in the fall and early spring when temps are cooler I sometimes will spin on my launch, when that happens I burn the tires up pretty good and they do stick better. I know this goes against most drag racing advice about street tires but this has been my experience. Also I did not mind burning up the runcraps because I wanted different tires anyway.
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Originally Posted by shurite44
... Also for EB20003 are you saying if you have T/C off that TM is now not affecting the driveline?... :
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show...14&postcount=2
"The following are instances when engine power reduction is likely to be expected:
- During transmission upshifts and downshifts
- Heavy acceleration from a standing start
- The brakes are applied with moderate to heavy throttle (with the traction system active).
- When the driver is performing harsh or abusive maneuvers, such as shifting into gear at high throttle angles or shifting the transmission from reverse to drive to create a rocking motion."
My point was that power braking the car and bringing the RPMs up, with the traction control system off/inactive is not listed as an instance when engine power reduction is said to be expected. ,
However; it is stated, and stated clearly, that it is to be expected if the brakes are applied with moderate to heavy throttle.....when the traction system is active.
The practice of holding the brake and giving the car throttle to bring up the RPMs is a technique which has been used with success by both those who have and have not had torque management altered or reduced with aftermarket programming.
Last edited by '06 Quicksilver Z06; Apr 4, 2005 at 07:44 PM.
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Originally Posted by MGorman
I must RESPECTFULLY disagree with EB 20003.
In order not to pull a “Korreck” here I will attempt to backup my statement with real world experience.
I have made about 2000 ¼ mile passes 100 of which have been in my MN6 C5 on run-flats. I have tried launching without doing a burnout, with a “clean them off burnout”, and with a “John Force can’t see the car through the smoke” burnout. I have found that the latter works best for me.
No burnout generally nets me a 60’ time in the 2.15-2.20 range.
The “clean them off” burnout generally gets me down into the 2.05-2.10 range.
The big smoky burnout generally generates 1.99-1.96 60’ times.
My best 60’ time on run-flats is 1.93. My best pass so far on run-flats is 11.86@124.
Is this really wise or practical? I would say “no”. But the way I look at it is; the faster I burn these run-flats off, the faster I can get some real tires.
This is just my personal experience. Take it for what it’s worth which may not be much.
In order not to pull a “Korreck” here I will attempt to backup my statement with real world experience.
I have made about 2000 ¼ mile passes 100 of which have been in my MN6 C5 on run-flats. I have tried launching without doing a burnout, with a “clean them off burnout”, and with a “John Force can’t see the car through the smoke” burnout. I have found that the latter works best for me.
No burnout generally nets me a 60’ time in the 2.15-2.20 range.
The “clean them off” burnout generally gets me down into the 2.05-2.10 range.
The big smoky burnout generally generates 1.99-1.96 60’ times.
My best 60’ time on run-flats is 1.93. My best pass so far on run-flats is 11.86@124.
Is this really wise or practical? I would say “no”. But the way I look at it is; the faster I burn these run-flats off, the faster I can get some real tires.
This is just my personal experience. Take it for what it’s worth which may not be much.
Glad you have gotten good results doing a burnout on Runflats. I would submit that your results are probably the exception and not the rule, but if it works for you then
Who am I to tell you to stop?
Melting Slicks
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MGorman
This is just my personal experience. Take it for what it’s worth which may not be much.
Korreck, you forgot one thing................. you have no personal experiance. You're a poser with bad advice.
Originally Posted by MGorman
This is just my personal experience. Take it for what it’s worth which may not be much.
Originally Posted by Korreck
Korreck, you forgot one thing................. you have no personal experiance. You're a poser with bad advice.
Burning Brakes
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From: Jensen Beach FL
Quote:
Originally Posted by MGorman
This is just my personal experience. Take it for what it’s worth which may not be much.
HA ha ha. Fair enough. I guess I left myself wide open there.
Korreck, thank you so much for enlightening me and the rest of the Corvette Forum with information from your vast personal experience.
So far you have taught us that:
-It is impossible to power brake a Corvette
-A 13 second car can’t do better than a 1.90 60’ even on drag radials
-A motor makes the same amount of power whether it is ingesting hot air or cold air
Any other pearls of wisdom for the uninformed masses?
Originally Posted by MGorman
This is just my personal experience. Take it for what it’s worth which may not be much.
Originally Posted by Korreck
HA ha ha. Fair enough. I guess I left myself wide open there.
Korreck, thank you so much for enlightening me and the rest of the Corvette Forum with information from your vast personal experience.
So far you have taught us that:
-It is impossible to power brake a Corvette
-A 13 second car can’t do better than a 1.90 60’ even on drag radials
-A motor makes the same amount of power whether it is ingesting hot air or cold air
Any other pearls of wisdom for the uninformed masses?
Burning Brakes
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From: Jensen Beach FL
Originally Posted by EB20003
Glad you have gotten good results doing a burnout on Runflats. I would submit that your results are probably the exception and not the rule, but if it works for you then
Who am I to tell you to stop?
on anyone not sharing your exact point of view.
Safety Car
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From: Sunshine State
Originally Posted by MGorman
Quote:
Originally Posted by MGorman
This is just my personal experience. Take it for what it’s worth which may not be much.
HA ha ha. Fair enough. I guess I left myself wide open there.
Korreck, thank you so much for enlightening me and the rest of the Corvette Forum with information from your vast personal experience.
So far you have taught us that:
-It is impossible to power brake a Corvette
-A 13 second car can’t do better than a 1.90 60’ even on drag radials
-A motor makes the same amount of power whether it is ingesting hot air or cold air
Any other pearls of wisdom for the uninformed masses?
Originally Posted by MGorman
This is just my personal experience. Take it for what it’s worth which may not be much.
HA ha ha. Fair enough. I guess I left myself wide open there.
Korreck, thank you so much for enlightening me and the rest of the Corvette Forum with information from your vast personal experience.
So far you have taught us that:
-It is impossible to power brake a Corvette
-A 13 second car can’t do better than a 1.90 60’ even on drag radials
-A motor makes the same amount of power whether it is ingesting hot air or cold air
Any other pearls of wisdom for the uninformed masses?
Bob
