Do you think this is worth it ?
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Racer
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Do you think this is worth it ?
Stage 111 performance Packerages by West Coast corvette gain of 65 HP includes Wcc Hurricane Air Intake ,Wcc Power Duct, 1000CFM Air Senor ,Coolant By-Pass Kit 178 Thermostat Choice of Muffer (Corsa Touring ),X-Pipe, B&B TRI -Flow Stainless Steel Headers ,MSD 8.5 PerformancePlug wires,Diablo sport Predator 99 c5 3,399 $ .. How are the Tri - Flow headers any body out there have them anybody got this pefromance packerage from WWC FEED BACK PLEASE ..
Le Mans Master
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From: Oak Harbor WA
For $3400 I think you can do much better than that, but that is just my opinion. Long tube headers are where the power and torque is at, those shorties that cost $1K only net about 15hp. (think LG streets, Kooks, Dynomax).
Get one of the more popular cold air kits as the results are pretty much the same for each. (vararam, K&N FIPK, Blackwing, Honker etc).
Unless you are adding cubic inches to the engine you don't need a 1000CFM MAF sensor. The stock sensor flows enough air to support much higher gains than a measely 65hp.
Plug wires don't add power to a stock engine, at least not enough to warrant the cost of them (dollar/hp).
Get one of the more popular cold air kits as the results are pretty much the same for each. (vararam, K&N FIPK, Blackwing, Honker etc).
Unless you are adding cubic inches to the engine you don't need a 1000CFM MAF sensor. The stock sensor flows enough air to support much higher gains than a measely 65hp.
Plug wires don't add power to a stock engine, at least not enough to warrant the cost of them (dollar/hp).
Team Owner
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From: Houston Texas
St. Jude Donor '09
Originally Posted by mdhmi
Most of that is junk you don't need.
Mark
Mark
....Mark what would you do with $3400 and a stock C5?..... 
...Can you do gears with a stall and intake and catback for that?.....
Burning Brakes
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From: Sun Diego CA
Originally Posted by Goody
For $3400 I think you can do much better than that, but that is just my opinion. Long tube headers are where the power and torque is at, those shorties that cost $1K only net about 15hp. (think LG streets, Kooks, Dynomax).
Get one of the more popular cold air kits as the results are pretty much the same for each. (vararam, K&N FIPK, Blackwing, Honker etc).
Unless you are adding cubic inches to the engine you don't need a 1000CFM MAF sensor. The stock sensor flows enough air to support much higher gains than a measely 65hp.
Plug wires don't add power to a stock engine, at least not enough to warrant the cost of them (dollar/hp).
Get one of the more popular cold air kits as the results are pretty much the same for each. (vararam, K&N FIPK, Blackwing, Honker etc).
Unless you are adding cubic inches to the engine you don't need a 1000CFM MAF sensor. The stock sensor flows enough air to support much higher gains than a measely 65hp.
Plug wires don't add power to a stock engine, at least not enough to warrant the cost of them (dollar/hp).
Doesn't sound like your comfortable doing too much wrenching so you will have to pay for some installs.
If it's a 6 speed, I'd do a cold air intake 1st (~$400), then 4.10's (~15-1800 installed), cat back for some sound (~500 used, and easy to install), then if you still have $$$ left over, headers and then a tune.
If it's an auto, I'd go for a cold air intake first (~$400), then gears and a mild converter (~2500-3K installed). Then a cat back for the sound effect. You will need a tune for the gears and converter.
Shortie headers will get you little for seat of the pants increase, spend the money elsewhere.
Instructor
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They are trying to sell you a load of junk and not do any labor to install any of it.
With $3400 get:
Intake ~$400
Long tubes ~$1400
Tune (HPtuners or LS1 edit, not a Predator) ~$350
Catback ~$550
and the labor will soak up the rest of the $
That would net you about 55 HP.
A cam and underdrive pulley would net you much higher gains for about $1800 more.
With $3400 get:
Intake ~$400
Long tubes ~$1400
Tune (HPtuners or LS1 edit, not a Predator) ~$350
Catback ~$550
and the labor will soak up the rest of the $
That would net you about 55 HP.
A cam and underdrive pulley would net you much higher gains for about $1800 more.
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Drifting
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From: Dallas Tx
Are they talking about flywheel or rear wheel. They're probably talking flywheel because i dont see that combo adding 65rwhp.
For that kind of money you can get yourself a set of LG headers, Either the Pro Street series like i have (which arent shorties) or the Pro LT's for ~$1300-$1500 and a G5X2 plus springs, pushrods, retainers and whatnot for $1300. If you can work a deal on install and tuning you might be able to squeeze all that installed/tuned for just under $4000 and you'll make over 100 more rwhp over a stock C5.
Shane
For that kind of money you can get yourself a set of LG headers, Either the Pro Street series like i have (which arent shorties) or the Pro LT's for ~$1300-$1500 and a G5X2 plus springs, pushrods, retainers and whatnot for $1300. If you can work a deal on install and tuning you might be able to squeeze all that installed/tuned for just under $4000 and you'll make over 100 more rwhp over a stock C5.
Shane
Team Owner
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From: Detroit
Originally Posted by Dave1
...Can you do gears with a stall and intake and catback for that?.....
Mark
New MAF.. 
Racer
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From: SF Bay Area (Norcal) California
Definitely go with Lg Longtubes and a dynotune. You'll see 30 + horses to the wheels. Save the rest for when you want to get deep into the engine with mods, like a cam or maybe spend it on a clutch or nitrous.
Drifting
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From: bloomfield nj
forget shorties-going with shorties,you mays well throw your money in
the toilet.go longtubes[kooks,dynamaxx,lgm's,etc]
forget the coolant by-pass for 2 reasons,if you gain 1hp i would be amazed,2nd-here in the northeast with the weather we are having now,when the throttle is frozen open as your driving,you will be wishing you didn't bypass it[keeps the throttle from freezing].
free up the air coming in[CAI,vara,etc.],free up the air going out[longtubes,x-pipe,exhaust,hi-flow cats,stay with 3" all the way back if possible],add some gear,if it's a A4.loosen up the converter a tad,cam maybe,etc.,just my .02
the toilet.go longtubes[kooks,dynamaxx,lgm's,etc]
forget the coolant by-pass for 2 reasons,if you gain 1hp i would be amazed,2nd-here in the northeast with the weather we are having now,when the throttle is frozen open as your driving,you will be wishing you didn't bypass it[keeps the throttle from freezing].
free up the air coming in[CAI,vara,etc.],free up the air going out[longtubes,x-pipe,exhaust,hi-flow cats,stay with 3" all the way back if possible],add some gear,if it's a A4.loosen up the converter a tad,cam maybe,etc.,just my .02
Melting Slicks
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From: Newark, DE
St. Jude Donor '06
I think even a representative from WCC (and there are some on this forum) would have trouble recommending that package...and keeping a straight face. As already stated by others, most of the stuff included in that "package" is unnecessary junk. 65hp - no way. 
You'd be lucky to see 20rwhp, and none of that would come as a result of the coolant bypass, MAF, or plug wires.
I agree with most of the suggestions here, though I think the 3" exhaust would be wasteful overkill on a stock cube non-FI motor. It might even hurt your torque numbers.
You'd be lucky to see 20rwhp, and none of that would come as a result of the coolant bypass, MAF, or plug wires.I agree with most of the suggestions here, though I think the 3" exhaust would be wasteful overkill on a stock cube non-FI motor. It might even hurt your torque numbers.
Race Director
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From: The Beautiful Greater Bay Area California
Originally Posted by Shane_S
Are they talking about flywheel or rear wheel. They're probably talking flywheel because i dont see that combo adding 65rwhp.
For that kind of money you can get yourself a set of LG headers, Either the Pro Street series like i have (which arent shorties) or the Pro LT's for ~$1300-$1500 and a G5X2 plus springs, pushrods, retainers and whatnot for $1300. If you can work a deal on install and tuning you might be able to squeeze all that installed/tuned for just under $4000 and you'll make over 100 more rwhp over a stock C5.
Shane
For that kind of money you can get yourself a set of LG headers, Either the Pro Street series like i have (which arent shorties) or the Pro LT's for ~$1300-$1500 and a G5X2 plus springs, pushrods, retainers and whatnot for $1300. If you can work a deal on install and tuning you might be able to squeeze all that installed/tuned for just under $4000 and you'll make over 100 more rwhp over a stock C5.
Shane
Safety Car
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From: Ocean Springs MS
Since you are in NYC, I would contact Vette Doctors and ask them what they recommend for your $3400. They are in Amityville, out in southern Long Island, and should be able to take care of you.
Racer
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From: Black Forest Colorado
Originally Posted by MikeeVet
Stage 111 performance Packerages by West Coast corvette gain of 65 HP includes Wcc Hurricane Air Intake ,Wcc Power Duct, 1000CFM Air Senor ,Coolant By-Pass Kit 178 Thermostat Choice of Muffer (Corsa Touring ),X-Pipe, B&B TRI -Flow Stainless Steel Headers ,MSD 8.5 PerformancePlug wires,Diablo sport Predator 99 c5 3,399 $ .. How are the Tri - Flow headers any body out there have them anybody got this pefromance packerage from WWC FEED BACK PLEASE ..
Get an intake, long tubes and a good tune!
Pro
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From: Mooresville NC
The B&B headers aren't bad, esp. if you are in California. Only problem is they are too expensive for what they do. I spent $200 on mine used and I was able to install them myself. I probably gained 10-15 hp, lost a little weight, and my car sounds a little better. Great gains for $200 but I'd be sick if I spent over $1K on them.
I have similar mods on my car (the ones that actually help) and I run about .3 and 3 mph faster in the quarter than stock 6 speeds. So, I'd assume that package will add about 30 hp. I spent about $1K on my performance mods. Buy some longtubes for $1200 and you'll see the same gains.
I have similar mods on my car (the ones that actually help) and I run about .3 and 3 mph faster in the quarter than stock 6 speeds. So, I'd assume that package will add about 30 hp. I spent about $1K on my performance mods. Buy some longtubes for $1200 and you'll see the same gains.
Last edited by WardVette; Jan 2, 2006 at 12:26 PM.