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Old Apr 16, 2006 | 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Evil-Twin
These are the actual PCM algorythims as written:
For late Models 01-04
Fans are turned off above 35 mph.

For early model years:97-00
Low speed fans come on at 219,high speed fans come on at 228,low speed with a/c on...
Both fans have high and low speed capabilities

The Fans cycle on and off with the AC on when the AC head pressure dictates it.

Lowering the fan setting only effect coolant temps below 35 mph.
A question I have, on the 1997-2000 models, is do the fans also only turn on below 35 mph, the same as the 2001-2004 models? Thanks!
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Old Apr 16, 2006 | 10:52 AM
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Old Apr 16, 2006 | 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by C5XTASY
A question I have, on the 1997-2000 models, is do the fans also only turn on below 35 mph, the same as the 2001-2004 models? Thanks!
Ed
Yes
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Old Apr 16, 2006 | 12:18 PM
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I never said there was anything wrong with a 160 stat under the right circumstances, I offer this all the time to people as a help with keeping their car in "the sweet spot"
Here is a typical response to the tread I made a few days ago. Many people here who argue with me over this point have seen me post this hundreds of times over the last five years. I dont make this stuff up, I made my career on it. All the administration here know exactly who I am and my credentials..

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show....php?t=1364594

Two issues with this very specially designed engine.
One is running the car cool enough to get the optimum hp.
But at what cost?
While running at 160 or 170 may give you a few more hp, it will definitely cause premature engine wear... the LS/X engine was tested over hundreds of thousands of hours in the engine test lab.
The C5 has a definite sweet spot: for power and engine life..... keeping it there is the trick..
the sweet spot is between 180 and 200 coolant\and 200 to 210 for oil...
Anything lower than that for a sustained amount of time will be internally destructive.
This amazing engine is an aluminum alloy that was designed to see 200,000 miles...
Many of these 60's thinking people think this is a cast iron engine that back in the 60's was lucky to see 60,000 /80,000miles.

Some people here think their liberal art degree qualifies them to speak about this engine and its design..

What I tell most people in this forum is to be careful who you listen too...when people bring up their hot rods and engine build from the 60's and seventies... throw up a red flag because that technology went out went we got flush toilet.

So many wannabe's here, so many hero's of technology that dont know
internal stress from structural deformation under load.

Every one has an answer, but few have a clue.
BTW I run a 160 stat in my car from may until October to maintain the sweet spot. I adjust the fans to come on sooner, and I clean both the condenser and the radiator every spring..I put the stocker back in in Nov and run stock fan settings.Many people think that when they look up under the front air diffuser and talk about all the leaves that get caught up there... they think they are looking at the radiator, which they are not, the radiator sits two inches behind the condenser and is hidden from view.,. it requires alot of maintenance to keep it like knew...I get a half a cup of sand dirt fuzzies and grass from the cleaning of my radiator , this doesn't include the leaves and cigarette buts and other stuff caught in the condensor...
the combination of the two heat transfer cores are the reason you get little air flow after the fans shut off.

Be careful who you listen too, and who has the right credentials to discuss this car.l.. BTW there are some very intelligent, tuners, engineers, and mechanics here.. I can think of a dozen or so of all the people who claim to have some knowledge.
Bill aka ET

Two issues
1) optimum hp output without costing engine life.
2) internal integrity using the right oil flow rate, viscosity, expansion factor, particle suspension.
keeping the LS/X engine in the sweet spot will insure the longest amount of engine life with the best hp output.

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Old Apr 16, 2006 | 12:39 PM
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What about the additive called wetter water ?? Is it ok for ls1 and will it help?? Thanks, Rick.
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Old Apr 16, 2006 | 12:51 PM
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Waterwetter will help because it releases surface tension and helps in the transfer of heat.
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Old Apr 16, 2006 | 01:48 PM
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You use a 160* ,"ET", untill November?A lot of us here including me don't drive our cars in the winter.Mine doesn't see "action" from Nov. till April.Thats why I run a 160*.BTW my temps on the road crusing are about 178*-182*.In the halacious Chicago area traffic jams,where our interstates more resemble parking lots,it never gets above 194* or so.Of course my fans are set to go on much earlier than stock.

As to 60s cars never seeing milage above 80K wow I had several that did'nt burn oil & lasted into the 150K range & got rid of them not because the engine went ,but here in the rust belt the body desintegrated below me .
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Old Apr 16, 2006 | 01:48 PM
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Water wetter will reduce the surface tension of WATER, not coolant. So if you are running a 50/50 mix of water and coolant, it will only work half as well as in straight water.

Some of us have technical degrees and work in techinacal fields also.
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Old Apr 16, 2006 | 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by 6Speeder
Water wetter will reduce the surface tension of WATER, not coolant. So if you are running a 50/50 mix of water and coolant, it will only work half as well as in straight water.

Some of us have technical degrees and work in techinacal fields also.
WaterWetter® is a unique wetting agent for cooling systems which reduces coolant temperatures by as much as 30ºF. This liquid product can be used to provide rust and corrosion protection in plain water for racing engines, which provides much better heat transfer properties than glycol-based antifreeze. Or it can be added to new or used antifreeze to improve the heat transfer of ethylene and propylene glycol systems. Designed for modern aluminum, cast iron, copper, brass and bronze systems. Compatible with all antifreezes, including the latest long-life variations. 12 oz.

Meaning a 12 oz bottle can reduce coolant temps @ 50/50 mix by 15 degrees.... not a bad deal for a cooling system that is less than perfect.
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Old Apr 16, 2006 | 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Evil-Twin
I never said there was anything wrong with a 160 stat under the right circumstances, I offer this all the time to people as a help with keeping their car in "the sweet spot"
Here is a typical response to the tread I made a few days ago. Many people here who argue with me over this point have seen me post this hundreds of times over the last five years. I dont make this stuff up, I made my career on it. All the administration here know exactly who I am and my credentials..

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show....php?t=1364594

Two issues with this very specially designed engine.
One is running the car cool enough to get the optimum hp.
But at what cost?
While running at 160 or 170 may give you a few more hp, it will definitely cause premature engine wear... the LS/X engine was tested over hundreds of thousands of hours in the engine test lab.
The C5 has a definite sweet spot: for power and engine life..... keeping it there is the trick..
the sweet spot is between 180 and 200 coolant\and 200 to 210 for oil...
Anything lower than that for a sustained amount of time will be internally destructive.
This amazing engine is an aluminum alloy that was designed to see 200,000 miles...
Many of these 60's thinking people think this is a cast iron engine that back in the 60's was lucky to see 60,000 /80,000miles.

Some people here think their liberal art degree qualifies them to speak about this engine and its design..

What I tell most people in this forum is to be careful who you listen too...when people bring up their hot rods and engine build from the 60's and seventies... throw up a red flag because that technology went out went we got flush toilet.

So many wannabe's here, so many hero's of technology that dont know
internal stress from structural deformation under load.

Every one has an answer, but few have a clue.
BTW I run a 160 stat in my car from may until October to maintain the sweet spot. I adjust the fans to come on sooner, and I clean both the condenser and the radiator every spring..I put the stocker back in in Nov and run stock fan settings.Many people think that when they look up under the front air diffuser and talk about all the leaves that get caught up there... they think they are looking at the radiator, which they are not, the radiator sits two inches behind the condenser and is hidden from view.,. it requires alot of maintenance to keep it like knew...I get a half a cup of sand dirt fuzzies and grass from the cleaning of my radiator , this doesn't include the leaves and cigarette buts and other stuff caught in the condensor...
the combination of the two heat transfer cores are the reason you get little air flow after the fans shut off.

Be careful who you listen too, and who has the right credentials to discuss this car.l.. BTW there are some very intelligent, tuners, engineers, and mechanics here.. I can think of a dozen or so of all the people who claim to have some knowledge.
Bill aka ET

Two issues
1) optimum hp output without costing engine life.
2) internal integrity using the right oil flow rate, viscosity, expansion factor, particle suspension.
keeping the LS/X engine in the sweet spot will insure the longest amount of engine life with the best hp output.

Face it dude.........you been HAD!
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Old Apr 16, 2006 | 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Too-Tall
Face it dude.........you been HAD!
What is that suppose to mean??????

For a guy with a total of 61 post in 2 years, you have added nothing to
any of those posts.... including this one...

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Old Apr 16, 2006 | 09:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Evil-Twin
What is that suppose to mean??????

For a guy with a total of 61 post in 2 years, you have added nothing to
any of those posts.... including this one...
While I too do not understand the "you've been had" response. You think just because of someone's post total they know nothing, and you are not the only one. Maybe if you would lose the condescending tone to most of your posts you would not get those that respond in kind. There are members here who have been around the block, more than once, and just because it's not always been in the corvette forum doesn't make their input worthless.

I have found some of your information very valuable, and even used it to show a GM tech they don't have all the information to get the job done.

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Old Apr 16, 2006 | 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Evil-Twin
What is that suppose to mean??????

For a guy with a total of 61 post in 2 years, you have added nothing to
any of those posts.... including this one...

You are a legend in your own MIND.........when we all found out about your 160 thermo........you went back peddling so fast you must have fallen on your ***. Your attitude you displayed on your responses to others only to find out you have one, was not only misleading but really unethical and pretty childish!

We would all be better off if you would LIMIT your responses!!!
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