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Old May 21, 2006 | 10:00 PM
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I have a chance to buy some gtp stage two heads that are milled .005. I was wondering if they will work with a tr224/224 or tr230/224. Any help would be greatly appreciated. If they wont work this will kill the deal.
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The only way to know for sure is to install it, and check P/V clearance. It should always be checked when swapping cams. James
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Why is the casting number on the heads. That is very minimal milling and you will more than likely be fine. You should always check the ptv clearance. The type of gaskets you use can make a difference as well.
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.005 is almost nothing. I think a human hair is about .003.

A quick check would be to lay the new head on the cylinder deck, using the old compressed gasket, and turn the crank very slowly BY HAND to feel any contact between the valve and the piston.

Most fly-cut pistons have much more valve to piston clearance that .005 so you should be fine.

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.005 is almost nothing. I think a human hair is about .003.

A quick check would be to lay the new head on the cylinder deck, using the old compressed gasket, and turn the crank very slowly BY HAND to feel any contact between the valve and the piston.

Most fly-cut pistons have much more valve to piston clearance that .005 so you should be fine.

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This is what I do...I use the old gasket, but first place some clay in the valve reliefs of the piston you want to check the P/V clearance. Torque the head bolts to specs, install the valvetrain for the cylinder that was clayed, and spin the engine over by hand several times. You can then dissasemble the engine, cut the clay in half, and measure the P/V clearance with feeler gauges. This is the poor man's method for checking P/V clearance. You want at least .080" clearance for the intake and at least .100" for the exhaust. If not, you can run into problems during higher revs. Make sure when you spin it over by hand, if you run into any excessive resistance, stop and check it out.

One more thing I forgot. you need a set of lifters (just for the cylinder you plan on checking P/V clearance) converted into a solid lifter by flipping over the plunger so the lifter won't collapse during the procedure. It is impossible to pump up the lifter and keep it pumped up when turning the engine over by hand. Just think of it as a special tool for any future builds. Most machine shops can convert the lifters for you. James

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just to be clear. .005 is 50 thousands of an inch correct.
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just to be clear. .005 is 50 thousands of an inch correct.
No, .005" is five thousandths of an inch and fifty thousandths would not be enough clearance anyway. Are you saying your heads were decked (milled) fifty thousandths? James
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Would you let these heads go because the pistons need to be fly cut? I am running nitrous on this motor and I hear the sharp edges can cause detonation. I can pick these heads up for $900, but I dont want to raise the cost of them by having a bunch of extra work that needs to be done.
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yes, these heads were siad to be milled 50 thousandths.
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Would you let these heads go because the pistons need to be fly cut? I am running nitrous on this motor and I hear the sharp edges can cause detonation. I can pick these heads up for $900, but I dont want to raise the cost of them by having a bunch of extra work that needs to be done.
The pistons may not need to be fly cut. You won't know until you "mock" up the engine. As far as the sharp edges, you can just take sandpaper to the machined areas and smooth them out. You can call around and ask about the cost of flycutting the pistons. Do the heads have flowsheets? What type valvesprings and how much mileage? James
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